Dungeon Master Critique: Dissecting Justin's September One-Shot

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it's now recording and in two seconds you're going to see up on the top

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on the left it's going to show us so interview on you tube you get

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kind of behind the scenes look at what we do on how to be a

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better d m and there it goes yeah

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it is awesome

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so i won't show you i won't show you all that boring stuff um because

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we're alive so let's hop into it and welcome our listener to how to be

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a better dungeon master how to be a better m i'm your host justin lewis

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with host tanner wayland here say hello tanner

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hey guys

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and like always we are here to help you craft better stories for yourselves and

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your players as you play dandy today is kind of a special episode it's a

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new type of episode that we're on start doing and the idea for this actually

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came from tanner and so so major props to him because i think this is

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unique in the space before we get to that let's talk about at least one

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announcement and that is thank you to everyone who participated in the give away that

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happened last week it was awesome seeing everyone kind of turn out and really we're

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just really grateful for your support we can't thank you oh anything you want to

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add to that tanner

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i mean honestly we just we just love what's happening and and all the people

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that we get to interact with so thank you

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exactly h h the next announcement is that we're going to postpone all the announcement

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until the end of the show so stick around for

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m

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those extra tid bits but let's get to the main meet of today's show which

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is dissecting one shot that i posted back in september so tanner's idea actually tender

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you can explain it

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yeah

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if you want

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i just thought in terms of how to be better d m in general a

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big aspect of improving in whatever field you're in and this isn't necessarily a field

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but whatever you're doing

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oh

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pere review and commentary

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oh

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can really be a benefit that

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yeah

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everybody you know certainly for me i feel like all twenty nine years of my

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life any time someone's like given me criticism it's been one really good for me

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to very ard to take

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yeah

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and that's why it's like that's why you know first things first we're going to

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be critiquing like past

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yeah

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justin's like deming sty all right you would never want to do this to to

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a dem's face because that that's not the right place for

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m

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it it's it's not going to come down

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m

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it's not going to

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yeah

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go down smooth so what saying is we

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m

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thought there would be a great idea to kind of look at this recording and

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no comment on like what went well what you know what could have gone better

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and

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he

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you know just our thoughts in general about the deming approach yeah

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exactly a couple of things i'd add

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m

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the main goal of this is to like we said craft the best story experience

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for d m and the players so we're not going to pull any punches my

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feelings are protected within myself nothing can get in my heart t sticks

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yep

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and stones so tanner you know let it rip but with that said we're not

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going a you know pick at things that are maybe esthetic um it's fine to

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share things like oh i would have done this because i think this

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okay

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is a cool idea that's to fine but we're not going to say you know

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the color red in this instance is better than the color blue unless for some

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symbolic reason that i'm not bright enough to see because i'm not a writer but

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anyways you know what i mean the whole point is to really say hey at

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this point you missed an opportunity of high lighting character weakness by doing blah or

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things like that and the audio may or may not be particularly good or bad

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this is a new thing so bear with us if it is bad and also

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if we miss things we'd love to hear what you think send us to our

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in sits and also in the future if you'd like us to critique one of

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your dungeon and dungeons and dragon sessions you could also reach out to us and

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maybe we could set something like that up

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that sounds

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but

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actually

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i think

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really

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that's

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good

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everything

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but

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and

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anyway yeah

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yeah yeah well let's go ahead and get started and the way we're going to

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do this is we're going to play the clip of the one shot and then

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if either of us have a comment we'll just say hey can you stop that

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or i'll just stop that i guess tanner you tell me this stop

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perfect

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it and then i'll just stop

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yeah

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it if i need to and here we go

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i'm also gonna skip ahead a little bit trying to get to actual the game

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play

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go call

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shoot i hope i think i might have broken it well okay yeah

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yeah yeah

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okay

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yeah

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m

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m

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so first thought

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m

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tanner and i'd actually like to get your opinion

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oh

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on this because i go back and forth so uh i first started my role

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playing game career in the fantasy flight system

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yeah

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specifically in star wars that's where i first played and in that system specifically in

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the starward system they encourage you to talk in terms of synematic experience including screen

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wipes and kind of things like that in this one shot that is the only

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moment where i kind of i think i might have done it at the end

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but i'm pretty sure that's the only moment where i kind of talk in terms

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of synematically this is what you see um what's your opinion that on that because

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i kind of go back

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yeah

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and

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yeah

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forth

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no honestly i love it i've seen i've listened to a lot of podcasts

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m

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live plays where some people do that and some people don't i think that the

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m well first off i think that you did very well with with the way

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that you presented the city you had what seemed like i'm assuming it was prepared

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paragraph about the city good because because you can tell

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correct

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because it came out you know it wasn't halting it you know really set a

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tone so the music was a great great piece

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oh

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to that to set the ambiance but i think in terms of the like presenting

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it scynematically it's like okay we pan across and we see each player as they

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cress the hill think that's great because people now think in terms of movies pretty

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often and if you're just trying to set a tone as a d m cynematics

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totally works right like the amount of time i've done

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yeah

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like kind

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ah

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of like i've like mentioned a little montague you know or i'm like okay so

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your players doing this

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hm

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now if there's a montague what would it look like you know and and

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oh

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players recognize what i'm trying to get across on many ways it helps them express

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themselves in a way that frankly being like okay i do this and then i

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do that and then you know it doesn't it doesn't work as well right

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yeah i do like the mintage aspect especially i think that might be something that

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people could use a little bit more especially in travel i kind of dislike evil

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and it could be easy to be like all right in a travel montag what

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are two or three things that each of your characters might do in this week

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long sequence or something

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yeah

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you know

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and i think that using essentially camera angles

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oh

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to describe

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yeah yeah

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you know what you see i think that it helps players understand

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ah

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when you're trying to be cometic understand when you're trying to be more thriller or

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horror like when those are the kind of things you're trying to evoke it's like

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oh you find out what the players doing and then you say hey let's let's

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surprise them but not surprise them by being like okay you're sneaking and then this

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instead you can be like okay you're sneaking as you go as you press you

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back to the corner the camera pans to the right and there's eyes you know

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you can really

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uh

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play with that a lot

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h

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but

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oh

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anyway i don't want to hold up too much but great point

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yeah yeah i think the last thing i would add is if you are going

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to use this method stay consistent with it throughout your session or your damning experience

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don't waffle back and forth or don't use one instance like me and then just

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go to normal play or whatever i think it makes for a little bit more

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continuity so

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m

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continuing yeah

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m

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ye yeah

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oh yeah all right i got to talk about the dungeon master right now so

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biggest problem is the dungeon master did not fix the audio beforehand so in my

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opinion the music is a little bit

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yep

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too loud and that's you know that could be result of the software i was

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using however that's still my responsibility and at this moment one of my character one

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of my players is describing his character which is probably you know if you re

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at one shot like i am with players who have never been together it's like

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the moment where each player gets to be like i reveal how cool i am

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and here i am not even freaking paying attention typing and you can actually hear

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the typing so it's obvious that not paying attention uh failure

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uh

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on this so

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i'm

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definitely

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glad you brought it up because i think especially in a world

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oh

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of streaming which a lot of us are playing games that way we don't realize

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that you know we have to think about etiquette you know uh online

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h

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etiquette

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m

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and

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ah

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frankly as a as a d m i totally get why you're typing because i'm

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like oh he's probably typing up the character

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uh

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description and

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h

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things

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oh

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like that right i don't know if you were but

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yeah

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i'm assuming um and it kind of makes me think i'm like you know what

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as a d m really

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yeah

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even if we're at a computer we should be having like pen and paper you

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know um

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yeah

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just at least for taking on going notes and then you can up date a

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google talk or something later right but at least for

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yeah

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the session you know

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oh

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go just the most quiet option that you can so that you can still take

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notes but you're not going to disrupt

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yeah

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the player as far as the audio stuff i think that's

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yeah

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you know that's just kind of a modern problem like of having to figure out

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the balance there so i don't really knock you for that since it's more experiential

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that way

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sure i only knocked me because i could have muted myself which is an obvious

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fix um and i could have worked on the audio prior to the the one

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shot other than that though continuing

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yeah

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oh

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i think calling people out

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oh

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by name is a good

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yeah

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way to speed

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oh

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that up just a simple point you know

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yeah

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especially if you're not very even if you are friends like or like very well

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and comfortable with each other um it just helps if you as a dam like

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okay your turn your urn you you know it just speeds it up same as

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for combat you know

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yeah

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anyway

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i think that's a very important point especially in this instance these are players who

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have never played with each other they're still trying to figure out kind of the

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not the nature pecking order but the flow of conversation you know who generally speaks

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who doesn't it would have been excellent for me to step in and be like

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okay you next oh and after you is you know i think that would have

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been a very useful way to help

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yeah

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them

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i absolutely agree anyway a small point though

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yeah hopefully it loads yeah and honestly i think this is a good juncture well

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this is loading to also add one of the feed one of the bits of

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feedback that i got uh from this this one shot was from rob he's in

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the bottom left there he said that for things like this it might be beneficial

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to open up before the one shot kind of chat room or you know let

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your players talk together get to know one another strategize a little bit and kind

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of have sort of a session zero

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yeah

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almost ere they get to know each other and each other strengths

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yeah

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and weaknesses and things like

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yeah

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that

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kind of like almost like a little metaphorical bar room or in you know

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yeah

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like table for them to kind of like essentially just get to

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hm

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know each other build somethin of that comrade or even if it's like we think

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like oh that's wasting time you could spend five ten minutes tops out of a

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three hour session

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hm

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and you're good you know like and that's like already improved the atmosphere a whole

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lot yeah i think rob's absolute you're right about that

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yeah let's see if it's loaded now

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ry refreshing okay uh let's say three o one

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we're

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let's

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booking

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hope

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it

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i'm refreshing the page

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ah

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now

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so

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yeah

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this is going to take a while guys

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i don't know

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but

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about

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yeah

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you

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sorry

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yeah seriously sorry guys i don't know about you but refreshing pages for me is

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always like a crab shoot i'm always like is this going to destroy everything

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that

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you

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i care

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know

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about and love yes yes i do know um

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so far oh

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red

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gosh

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carpet yep

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by the way riverside it's an awesome service

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it

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guys

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is

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all right so let's see it's loading still

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yeah so um also like for these players do you feel like they

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yeah

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did you have a second to talk with them before you started recording ah

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yes um m or maybe not i want to say yes no actually i'm very

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sure that i did not i started recording and then i kind of explained things

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to them briefly so that's another thing that probably could have been better specifically in

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an online format you definitely want to take time to talk to your players and

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say hey this is how things are going to go in prep and then i

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could have said hey make sure you have headphones

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yeah

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make sure you have a microphone um just all the technical aspects of

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yeah

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it you know

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honestly great idea

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let's see if this one works now okay

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there you go

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obviously oh that's too far

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the

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okay that's good enough buffering it's going to be a little bit before um okay

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my

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oh

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oh ah

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yeah

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oh

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oh that kills me

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yeah

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i have to say it kills me

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hm

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yeah

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just letting it sink in love it perfect

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yeah the same spot

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faking oh

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well we got three minutes in maybe if i if i just move it forward

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that always works right uh uh

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o is easy

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dear heavens

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and money

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wait

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m

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ye

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there you go you learned you got it

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oh yeah did you want to say something

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no i was just saying that you got it eventually that you

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yeah

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called him out you were like her

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yeah

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go like you're learning

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yeah

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that

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even even mid session you can learn also i do have to say the characters

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that they came up with are really cool

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yeah

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i really did enjoy their characters

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i know

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so

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m

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ah oh oh oh oh

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m

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m yeah

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um one thing that i would mention

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yeah

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um so

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go ahead oh

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i love i love their descriptions one thing that i think like as a listener

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um that i think a dmkiden't really do is having like a question i wouldn't

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like drag it on

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m

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by having like after each person introduces

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m

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you know asking a question about them it could be topical about like oh you

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just were practicing active listening and then you just noticed like oh they mentioned this

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thing let's ask them about that or i would probably go with the very simple

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like okay if if someone noticed your player what's the first thing they noticed um

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and that kind of helps the other players i think as well like when they're

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interacting kind of like it's something to hold on to in terms in terms of

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an image you know

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yeah especially you know as i was listening to myself and i do this a

[justin]: 00:22:23

lot someone says something and then i'm like excellent next topic and i don't really

[justin]: 00:22:28

have a transition uh using your technique in this instance i've set the scene there's

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a hill there

weyland]: 00:22:37

yep

[justin]: 00:22:37

cresting over the weather's doubt they're getting a glimpse of the city it's easy it

[justin]: 00:22:42

would be easy to be like and what is isaac how does isaac react to

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this foul weather and then that's that's

weyland]: 00:22:49

perfect

[justin]: 00:22:49

like a micro play you know where you show is doing something and then how

[justin]: 00:22:54

does chases character i forgot his name how does cazes character what's his expression when

[justin]: 00:23:00

he sees the town or something like that and you kind of give like a

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or a role play session for

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yeah

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each of these and i think that's a really good way to envelop them a

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little

weyland]: 00:23:08

hm

[justin]: 00:23:08

bit more yeah

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oh oh

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m

weyland]: 00:24:53

yeah

[justin]: 00:25:13

oh

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ye

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m

[justin]: 00:26:33

oh yeah

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yeah yeah

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oh

[justin]: 00:27:18

oh

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yeah

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so two thoughts one my chair is super squeaky

weyland]: 00:27:31

oh

[justin]: 00:27:31

and as an online d m that is important because as the d m you're

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going to be talking more anyone else so you need to and you naturally gesticulate

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in all that thing those things i think

weyland]: 00:27:46

oh

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it would be worth it to find a better chair or a less squeaky terror

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or something some fix it so that way every time you move you're not hearing

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you know

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oh

[justin]: 00:27:55

distracting noises that kind of pull you out of the immersion second note is back

[justin]: 00:28:01

when i described to rise and her connection to isaac i simply said oh isaac

[justin]: 00:28:08

you remember teresa from long time ago i think that was a missed opportunity

weyland]: 00:28:12

m

[justin]: 00:28:12

to say or maybe kind of paint a little bit more of the character of

[justin]: 00:28:18

teresa and say oh isa you know teresa for a long time ago when you

[justin]: 00:28:23

met her in a small village outside of the grand city the grand city of

[justin]: 00:28:29

so and so and there she was teaching a small class of of younglings primary

[justin]: 00:28:34

school or you know just kind of tell you a little bit about her just

[justin]: 00:28:38

simply i establish in that connection a little bit better yes

weyland]: 00:28:44

yeah i hear that

[justin]: 00:28:47

yeah yah

weyland]: 00:28:48

in terms of the chair

[justin]: 00:28:49

h

weyland]: 00:28:49

i didn't notice it personally uh maybe because i was just listening which which is

weyland]: 00:28:54

a great thing you know

[justin]: 00:28:56

uh

weyland]: 00:28:56

when you already know what you're going to say you're noticing

[justin]: 00:28:58

oh

weyland]: 00:28:58

the chair more for the rest of us who do

[justin]: 00:29:00

yeah

weyland]: 00:29:00

don't including the players we're not focusing as much on that but of course you

weyland]: 00:29:06

know always something to think about i agree i think here's the thing with campaign

weyland]: 00:29:13

with one shot you there there's kind of a requisite amount of exposition right same

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same as bigger one

[justin]: 00:29:21

m

weyland]: 00:29:21

but with one shot it's like hey

[justin]: 00:29:23

yeah

weyland]: 00:29:23

if you want them to get to the action then

[justin]: 00:29:25

ah

weyland]: 00:29:26

you can't

[justin]: 00:29:26

ah

weyland]: 00:29:26

really do the natural know not exposition heavy you know think you kind of

[justin]: 00:29:33

hm

weyland]: 00:29:33

need a maid and butler scene is you know what they kind of call it

weyland]: 00:29:38

where

[justin]: 00:29:38

yeah

weyland]: 00:29:39

you know they're just like oh this is what's happening adam

[justin]: 00:29:44

h

weyland]: 00:29:44

however i

[justin]: 00:29:45

m

weyland]: 00:29:45

feel like with this i thought that you were doing really well leading into it

weyland]: 00:29:50

i saw some missed opportunities one i think i would have waited on the mayor

weyland]: 00:29:57

or i would have honestly i probably would have waited on the mayor for either

weyland]: 00:30:02

one of two opportunities i would have started out with being like hey um isaac

weyland]: 00:30:09

so happy to see you also good job in the voices

[justin]: 00:30:13

thank you

weyland]: 00:30:13

but i would have kind of like oh isa you know or do your suggestion

weyland]: 00:30:18

of kind of you know another option if you don't want

[justin]: 00:30:23

ah

weyland]: 00:30:23

to tell the player how their character knows teresa

[justin]: 00:30:27

yeah

weyland]: 00:30:28

and other

[justin]: 00:30:28

oh

weyland]: 00:30:28

option is like okay your character has known teresa since you were a child and

weyland]: 00:30:34

i'm going to and then let them know it's like i'm going to give you

weyland]: 00:30:36

a little bit of lee way here how did you know her you know

[justin]: 00:30:44

hm

weyland]: 00:30:45

and and maybe it'd be even fun i had the idea i was like it'd

weyland]: 00:30:48

be fun to be like okay was you character ever romantically involved

[justin]: 00:30:51

oh

weyland]: 00:30:52

or you know

[justin]: 00:30:53

uh

weyland]: 00:30:53

or anything like that

[justin]: 00:30:54

h yeah

weyland]: 00:30:55

like how would you describe your relation like give them some creative license because it's

weyland]: 00:31:00

not like they're going to go crazy

[justin]: 00:31:01

hm

weyland]: 00:31:02

all right at least you hope not but just be like hey your friends with

weyland]: 00:31:05

her how are you friends with her i want to get your kind of opinion

weyland]: 00:31:11

then i think that gives him a chance to create but i kind

[justin]: 00:31:13

ah

weyland]: 00:31:13

of digress i think the mayor could have been held off until like breakfast and

weyland]: 00:31:18

like have breakfast happen and have like a good actual interaction where the players start

weyland]: 00:31:23

interacting

[justin]: 00:31:23

yeah

weyland]: 00:31:25

start asking questions and then maybe as they're leaving they run to the mayor so

weyland]: 00:31:28

they've like had a chance to of ask her and do that i would honestly

[justin]: 00:31:33

oh

weyland]: 00:31:33

even maybe space it out a little bit more like because i know how this

weyland]: 00:31:38

adventure goes because i've played with you before but they could go to one of

weyland]: 00:31:43

the locations and then on their way back

[justin]: 00:31:46

yeah

weyland]: 00:31:47

they run to the mayor then right you don't have to introduce everybody at the

weyland]: 00:31:51

start you can and there's ways to do that but if you feel like you're

weyland]: 00:31:55

too exposition heavy at the start just you know you can space it out

[justin]: 00:32:01

yeah i definitely think that's a good idea m m i was trying to figure

[justin]: 00:32:07

out a way to like okay if you're listening spoiler alert if i ever if

[justin]: 00:32:13

you ever play this one shot with me i was trying to kind of get

[justin]: 00:32:18

them to start being like oh that marriage kind of untrustworthy and trying to point

[justin]: 00:32:22

them towards the mayor

weyland]: 00:32:23

i saw

[justin]: 00:32:24

but

weyland]: 00:32:24

you doing

[justin]: 00:32:24

i

weyland]: 00:32:24

that

[justin]: 00:32:24

do think you're right

weyland]: 00:32:25

like the smoking gun you ere you were like kind of like oh

[justin]: 00:32:28

exactly

weyland]: 00:32:29

i saw you trying to do that

[justin]: 00:32:30

it's

weyland]: 00:32:30

yeah

[justin]: 00:32:30

like hey he's e's a shifty guy but you're definitely right you know in they

[justin]: 00:32:38

could either meet the mayor on the way to or from one of the first

[justin]: 00:32:41

places they invest

weyland]: 00:32:41

smart

[justin]: 00:32:42

a gate um almost seeming like he's going in a similar direction so you're like

[justin]: 00:32:48

you kind of wonder like wait was he going to that place was he not

[justin]: 00:32:53

m i think the placement of the mirror would be would be a better way

[justin]: 00:32:58

to re structure that because that could also my idea was at each of the

[justin]: 00:33:04

locations they investigate they find us uh and instead of finding a clue that could

[justin]: 00:33:10

simply run into the mayor before or after and that could start to arouse suspicion

[justin]: 00:33:14

towards the mayor i think that's a good point

weyland]: 00:33:18

okay

[justin]: 00:33:19

especially because like the closer in my opinion

weyland]: 00:33:22

m

[justin]: 00:33:22

somewhat contrived so just meeting the mayor might be

weyland]: 00:33:25

yeah

[justin]: 00:33:25

a lot

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if he's

[justin]: 00:33:25

easier

weyland]: 00:33:26

coming

[justin]: 00:33:26

and better

weyland]: 00:33:26

from like the farmer's house or whatever right and you're like

[justin]: 00:33:29

hm

weyland]: 00:33:29

what

[justin]: 00:33:30

hm exactly i think we have reached our time

weyland]: 00:33:36

m

[justin]: 00:33:36

limit for today so we will have to do this again

weyland]: 00:33:39

yeah

[justin]: 00:33:40

well depending on what you guys think

weyland]: 00:33:42

yeah

[justin]: 00:33:42

about it anyway

weyland]: 00:33:44

i mean

[justin]: 00:33:44

swords

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i guess

[justin]: 00:33:44

tanner

weyland]: 00:33:46

this is kind of an ongoing thing i don't think we'll be able to cover

weyland]: 00:33:50

everything in the future and also anybody who's you

[justin]: 00:33:53

m

weyland]: 00:33:53

know this is our first time

[justin]: 00:33:55

yeah

weyland]: 00:33:55

we're getting used to you know playing these

[justin]: 00:33:58

uh

weyland]: 00:33:58

videos and then pausing and

[justin]: 00:34:00

h

weyland]: 00:34:00

everything thanks for setting that up just but you know in the future

[justin]: 00:34:04

hm

weyland]: 00:34:04

we plan on making it a little bit smoother so we can jump to specific

weyland]: 00:34:07

parts or whatever

[justin]: 00:34:08

oh yeah

weyland]: 00:34:09

but yeah i think it's impossible to cover everything because because we can always be

weyland]: 00:34:13

better and there's all things that you did well that we can look at and

weyland]: 00:34:17

we'll get to it but

[justin]: 00:34:18

hm

weyland]: 00:34:18

there's a chance we don't finish all of this this specific one shot but we'll

weyland]: 00:34:22

keep doing this kind of thing you know if you guys enjoy it because

[justin]: 00:34:27

yep

weyland]: 00:34:28

i've enjoyed it i think it's kind of a very practical way to approach it

[justin]: 00:34:33

oh yeah i like it too because it does allow me to look in kind

[justin]: 00:34:38

of a third person perspective at the one shot you know when when you create

[justin]: 00:34:42

it you're like yeah this is great or yeah this is well but seeing it

[justin]: 00:34:46

this way it's a lot better and actually on that note tender and moving into

[justin]: 00:34:49

ourannouncements we're gonna keep kind of doing these dissection we need to come up with

[justin]: 00:34:55

a better name for it but critiques maybe of this one shot until december because

[justin]: 00:35:02

that's when you'll be doing the next one shot sorry let me back up we

[justin]: 00:35:07

had a one shot in october but that was a guest host we have a

[justin]: 00:35:10

one shot in november which is also a guest host and then there's the one

[justin]: 00:35:13

shot in december which will be and i don't think i don't want to critique

[justin]: 00:35:19

other guest hosts because they're nice enough to come

weyland]: 00:35:21

exactly

[justin]: 00:35:22

on and be

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yeah

[justin]: 00:35:22

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master i think those are all the announcements ten or do you have anything else

[justin]: 00:36:44

you'd like to share with our listener

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no i mean we'll certainly see you before then but hope you're all excited for

weyland]: 00:36:51

the holidays because i am that that's

[justin]: 00:36:53

yeah

weyland]: 00:36:53

that's all i got to

[justin]: 00:36:54

yeah

weyland]: 00:36:54

got to throw that out there because i'm stoked

[justin]: 00:36:58

yeah

weyland]: 00:36:58

m

[justin]: 00:36:58

i hear you it's like every year like around october i'm like christmas seems like

[justin]: 00:37:04

such a chore and then like october finishes

weyland]: 00:37:07

yeah

[justin]: 00:37:07

and i'm like wow i'm excited for christmas it's funny

weyland]: 00:37:09

i know

[justin]: 00:37:09

how that

weyland]: 00:37:10

this

[justin]: 00:37:10

happens

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this year is going

[justin]: 00:37:10

yeah

weyland]: 00:37:10

to be interesting kirsty and i we've already put up decorations

[justin]: 00:37:13

yeah

weyland]: 00:37:14

and for the listener we're recording

[justin]: 00:37:16

yah

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this

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h

weyland]: 00:37:17

you know in early november and that never happens kirsty's

[justin]: 00:37:20

m

weyland]: 00:37:21

my wife is very

[justin]: 00:37:22

m

weyland]: 00:37:22

much like hey we don't touch christmas until after thanksgiving and we're changing

[justin]: 00:37:28

h

weyland]: 00:37:28

that this year

[justin]: 00:37:29

m

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because we're actually moving into our new house in in december and so that's going

weyland]: 00:37:38

to be just what a good time just mixing

[justin]: 00:37:42

oh

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the busiest time of the year

[justin]: 00:37:43

h

weyland]: 00:37:43

with with just moving that's that's going to be a party but

[justin]: 00:37:47

h

weyland]: 00:37:48

but we're excited

[justin]: 00:37:49

oh

weyland]: 00:37:49

christmas spirit all up in here love it ah

[justin]: 00:37:53

yeah moving sucks christmas is is better so you got that looked forward to so

[justin]: 00:38:00

um ah thank you listener for being here and thank you for supporting the show

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will be back next week with another amazing episode but until then let's go ahead