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yeah welcome back to how to be a better i'm your host justin lewis here

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with my cohort tanner wayland

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guys

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say hello tanner

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hey i hope you guys are all doing great because i am

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and today we are actually streaming this to you tube for for a change so

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we'll see how that goes but the whole point of how to be a better

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dem is to together learn how to craft better stories for you and us and

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our players as dim sessions of d and d excuse me we don't know that

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one dandy is getting ever closer and obviously the newest installment of under our cane

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material has just been released well just just like a couple o weeks ago but

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it's been released by o the coast for us to play test so today we're

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going to give you the fact of what was released as well as some of

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our opinions about those facts but before we dive in let me mention to you

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to stick around to the end of today's show because we're going to tell you

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it so stick around but tanner let's get into today's topic which is unearthed our

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canadtoo expert classes

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perfect yeah and some of you might be wondering what is an expert class

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oh

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so this is one of the big

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oh

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changes that they're actually doing for classes in general they're kind of grouping them in

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a way that you haven't really seen before because i think mentally we had this

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idea of like of classes being like oh you have your spell casters you know

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you got your more

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oh

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faith is based kind of people you know

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yeah

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but now they're actually like full on making them different class groups just to tell

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you what those are

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oh

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you have the experts which is what released now and that includes bards rangers rogues

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and i believe they also said artificer is going to be in that

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orrect

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but but it's kind of like an extra not cork i don't know if they

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can consider them core classes anymore but

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uh

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it's kind of like an extra class so they didn't really go into that this

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time

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m

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and then other ones majors would be sorcerer warlock

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ye

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wizard priests

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yeah

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would be cleric dreed paladin and warriors would be barbarian fighter monk um and like

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they'll they each have kind of like different you know focuses and one of the

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big reasons they're doing this is so that they can have different like feet lists

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and essentially the feats are kind of broken up by group and you so you

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have some that are non grouped feats but the majority of them will be like

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oh it's an expert feat and so if you're whether you're barred ranger or row

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you kind of just have a shared list like that i don't know what do

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you think about that change justin

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i think it's interesting and i'd be interested to see if on the road

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oh

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they they add to that list so there you know the experts majors priests fighters

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but i'd be interested to see if as a community we can come up with

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other sections not sections but like

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groupings

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classification

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yeah

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groupings

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classifications

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no a i don't know but those do definitely seem fairly complete it were but

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i like it and i do like how they are focusing a lot more on

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feats

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oh

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allowing you to make a more versatile character and really expand the building of your

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character

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yeah exactly and i find that like a lot of what they're doing um it

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kind of goes towards their stream lining efforts and making it easier like i've noticed

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that a lot of the changes have been that way right like when they and

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i hear that they're already considering changing but when they simplified

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yeah

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natural ones and at twenties to being like oh regardless of if it's a skill

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or ability check or anything like that you automatically ceed or lose even though that

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wasn't the case you can tell that that's like them trying to simplify it and

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same when they changed the spell you know the spell kind of categories

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yeah

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how they went with oh what was it was arcane divine primal and

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hm

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and that's like also obviously them trying to make it less complicated so you don't

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have like your own classes like list but rather

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yeah

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you've got oh your class pulls from this category or whatever right i think some

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people are going to like it like it's great frankly and we talk about this

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all the time you know podcast it's great for new people um it kind of

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breaks down that barrier to entry of knowledge at least but i think for other

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people who are pretty familiar and they're looking for m or depth i'm cautious to

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say if everybody is going to accept it you know

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yea i will say one thing that's kind of nice is compared to other editions

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five has probably been put on line more so it's a lot more available

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yeah totally

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so if no you have your standard player who's played five and excuse me

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m

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and prefers that method they can just revert back to having spell lists for individual

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classes and treated like that and even group those spells under the divine primal and

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arcane groupings and kind of expand it for their own game play but new players

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can just rely on what they're doing now so i do think they're making it

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more complex and simplifying it at the same time

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yeah

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well i guess they're simplifying it but allowing for more complexity and not specialization of

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personal izeaiation personalization good heavens

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you're good yeah and so with that i mean essentially the bulk of this unearthed

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arcana

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okay

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was pretty much like clay breakdowns right like they had

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m

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they had the bard like how you create it the different you know they've got

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it's basically most everything you need to create a bard and just a reminder for

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anybody like this is a play test they're still changing

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m

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things and so when they have these lists of you know spells feats things like

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that what they're really hoping is if we find it's unbalanced or just kind of

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sucks and it's boring then we got to say something and they have a survey

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right there on d and d beyond for you to do that

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for sure and i do think that's really cool and i actually haven't tried playing

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any of the unearthed arcana any of my tools yet

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yeah

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m something i want to do in the future but i kind of want to

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wait till a little bit more is released to like do that

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yeah

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but one thing that surprised me well i guess let's just go through the bardic

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class and talk about some of the changes that i noticed obviously we did it's

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everything

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yeah

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but this is what we did notice so first bardic

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ah

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inspiration has changed a lot in my opinion so now you can actually use it

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as a reaction to m heal one of your party members and the way the

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reason why i'm thinking this is big is because bards can kind of be the

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thing standing between a character and death

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m

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if now they go to zero hit point then the part is like i'd like

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to use my reaction to heal them across the room or whatever i don't know

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i don't think that's exactly how you can do it but essentially that's what i'm

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in visioning it as you know oh

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yeah yeah i think that in regard to bar

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oh

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in regards to bart sorry

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yeah

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i have something that some people have been pointing out online is how bart inspiration

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has changed and personally i think it's for the better in some ways um it's

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no longer used as a bonus action instead it's a reaction so basically

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m m

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if

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yeah

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creature is going to fail an attack roll ability check or saving throw or whatever

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or what they call a d twenty test nowadays

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m

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basic you can just use as a reaction be like extra you know roll it

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five on that role right which

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hm

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i think is kind of nice it just makes it feel a little bit more

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impactful

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yeah

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and i can totally see where they're trying to use this because they're trying to

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make it so you don't waste a bar of inspiration on someone who who may

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forget about it may not use um because they're just hitting their roles anyway they

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don't really need that extra you know four or five that you gave them

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yeah

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this way it's like oh kind of a last ditch effort save them and i

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think it gives you a lot more power in influencing the combat you know

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yeah one other thing i noticed in kind of in conjunction to the bard inspiration

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is that bards now have healing spells that are always prepared essentially and this is

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kind of crazy to make before know clerics were primarily the healers you know but

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now a lot more classes are being healing capable i guess and with the pushes

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towards the inspiration the push is towards the healing it feels like wizards of the

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coast is kind of wanting bards to be more supportive and more versatile you know

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yeah

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you can have a bar that does lots of damage but also a bar that

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heals which i find

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yeah

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interesting

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one if i had one issue with how they group it i feel like the

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like the groupings don't necessarily make as much sense as in you that especially with

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bards because it's like if you call a bard an expert so to say when

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a bard has usually been kind of an all rounder i would say you know

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hm

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like they have they've got s but there you know they're mostly support but then

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you can also do some weird things with them and make them more kind of

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crafty and stuff like that i don't know it feels a little bit weird lumping

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yeah

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them in with with

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oh

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with a rogue frankly you

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yeah

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know

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ah

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um yeah

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be honest the reason why they did that or at least the reason why they're

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in the expert group is because the bard the rogue and the ranger all have

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the expert tis feature which basically gives them the ability to add their proficiency to

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specific skills or i think it's double their proficiency to skills that are proficient in

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okay

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like a couple of them and like like you i do find that really interesting

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because she like the bard would definitely be more i mean they're not a warrior

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a priest or a page so i guess like

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hm

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maybe they put it in expert because what else do we put it in you

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know

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yeah exactly and in a big like i've seen a lot of comments on some

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of the things that they've done when they're introducing these class classes and everything uh

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apparently like they've really done a lot in terms of conditions like

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oh

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like they just let's take the rogue for example apparently when it comes to like

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hiding you know typically

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oh

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you do like you'd like do a stealth roll all that kind of stuff now

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hidden is like an actual condition that you kind

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m

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of have to do something to get applied to your character you know almost like

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sick or something else you

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yeah

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know uh yeah i just i think that's just kind of it's funny these little

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changes that you're seeing

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yeah be honest if i can talk about that that makes me so happy because

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like if there's conditions then there's also requisites for those conditions you know

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yeah

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like you can't be grappled unless something is grappling you something has its arms around

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you you can't move and things like that right

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yeah

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so the reason why i'm happy about the hidden part is because my wife plays

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a rogue and she often as most rogues do like oh i use my cunning

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action to hide on my bonus action and you're like you're in the middle of

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a room that's empty like how are you going to hide

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yah

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or like well i want to and you're like okay roll for it and they

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roll like a twenty five and you're like well i don't know how but you

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hid

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oh

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in an empty room full

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you

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of people

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just lay down on the ground and nobody

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yeah

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saw you i guess

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became part of the floor board and anyway so i'm

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yeah

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kind of hoping that you know i'll be able to clear up some of that

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nonsensical hiding like good heavens

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yeah i feel like people who and honestly there's a lot of people that make

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rogues very annoying for

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hm

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a d m right because they're just very effective in the right hands i think

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there's going to be some people who are going to be mad about that because

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it feels a little bit like nerving

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yeah

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but but hey you know don't knock it until you have ay tested it i

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guess

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yeah

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but

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yeah

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other than that i mean they've just made so many like little changes here and

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there like i don't even it's like hard to wrap my head around like there's

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like jumping

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it

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is an action and i'm like how's how's jumping in action

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yep

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uh yeah it's very it's very funny to me that they like made a specific

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action because i feel like most people just kind of like oh my movement

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yeah

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i jump as part of me you know

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be wonders if maybe like a lot of people have written into them or like

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message them saying like hey what do you do for this you know and they

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try and they tried and quatified that

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yeah

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tried to codify that a lot more you know

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yeah

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m

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absolutely and i think a lot of other games are getting more not a lot

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of game but like some other games specifically i'm thinking of pathfinder second edition they

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he

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added a jumping like action essentially

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yeah

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um but they have the benefit of like oh like you have essentially three actions

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so like in a in a turn and that could be like actions or movement

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and stuff this one i'm just kind of curious to how people will feel if

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like jumping is like kind of a waste of a movement like i wonder you

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know because it is

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yeah

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like it is more of a risk reward kind of thing right anyway

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yeah

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sorry sure

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i mean hopefully that helps d

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yeah

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ms kind of set up dynamic combat situations where you're fighting

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oh

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but you know the odds are stacked

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yeah

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against you so

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oh

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kind of the idea is to fight long enough to escape you know

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yeah

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and there's a rickety bridge and it

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yeah

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breaks and you have to jump you know like i'm hoping situations like that can

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be made more and more often because sometimes combat gets tedious and allowing your characters

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to yeah try things like that you know jumping into a building from ground floor

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and kind of getting a better vantage point i think it just hopefully opens up

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more creativity

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yeah i think it will and i think that's the key here and i'm really

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hoping that a lot of these changes still you know because they're clarifying things you

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know they're seeing where

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yeah

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they had holes before

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ah

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and i'm hoping that they are able to solidify certain things while not removing the

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chance for players to get creative you know

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yeah

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and even if they do i mean there's always the rule fun you can

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yeah

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always change something in your own personal game right

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a

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so

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part of me wonders

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go ahead

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just real quick part of me wonders like these two unearth arcana like sections have

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been pretty pretty long i'm kind of wondering like how long is the players handbook

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gonna be because like if they keep doing this like it's not supposed to be

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released till twenty twenty four and i don't know like that's a long time with

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lots of arcana you know

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yeah yeah it's it's going to be a lot but i think it will be

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good in the end because this is the next big edition right they're doing a

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lot more play testing they did with five and and i've always

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yah

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been i've always believed that as much as feedback is painful for creators and i'm

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certain that they're probably like why does everybody have a problem with this we thought

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hard on it but

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h

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but in the end

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m

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it's going to be better for everybody with

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yeah

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these comments but so in regards to the ranger real quick you were pretty excited

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excited about something or you were you excited

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yeah

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or did you have an issue with it i forget

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to be honest i'm excited i do like the ranger class it is one that

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i've seen played a couple of times at my own tables and it's always like

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of tedious for the people like it's not as powerful as they want or it's

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just you know it's just kind of weak

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yeah

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but in this play test material they made it so you don't have to concentrate

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on hunters mark witch is pretty powerful because basically once you have hunters mark on

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something you can pretty much always find it until you kill it or the duration

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ends and and you get that at first level so like that's i guess you

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know there's lots of mimes about eldridge blast being like the only thing warlocks do

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i can foresee in the future hunters mark kind of replacing that for rangers so

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people doing names about locks to eldrich blast rangers do hunters mark you know and

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that's it um i think it's i think it's a cool idea one other thing

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that rangers also can do now is cast cure wounds which very interesting because again

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wounds was spell that was kind of limited to the select few now rangers can

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do it which better or worse it's it's cool but we'll see how it goes

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yeah it should be very interesting frankly rangers kind of needed an overhaul in some

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yeah

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ways so i think it was smart that they've made some big changes there you

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know

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yeah

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um but one thing that i thought was interesting

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oh

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and i think we talked about this earlier but rangers and it's uh they now

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do prepared spell list very similar to wizards where it's like hey you're not like

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m

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just getting to do you don't just have a few spes expells you have access

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to like all the spells like for your level right but you have to prepare

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them for the day and if you prepare

[justin]: 00:20:24

yeah

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the wrong ones then sops to be you but

[justin]: 00:20:27

yeah

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but it gives you more options to prepare if you do know what to prepare

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for that's that's kind of cool

[justin]: 00:20:33

yeah and it makes sense because like bards you'd think that a bard would be

[justin]: 00:20:39

travelling with books or something too reference brander i'll be honest i'm kind of curious

[justin]: 00:20:48

as to why they did that for rangers because narratively speaking a ranger you know

[justin]: 00:20:54

they're traveling they should be traveling light i wouldn't imagine them to have like a

[justin]: 00:20:58

big old spell book or something like that

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yeah

[justin]: 00:21:01

maybe they're you know they are primal spells so maybe get it from the land

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or something like that through communion or i don't

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yeah

[justin]: 00:21:07

know

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yeah i think there's that i also think that and with us talking about how

weyland]: 00:21:13

ranger kind of felt like a more boring glass like

[justin]: 00:21:18

oh

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i think that them with prepared spells it just gives someone a lot more flexibility

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to play their own style you know

[justin]: 00:21:27

yeah

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since they get access to so many more spells at their level right

[justin]: 00:21:33

yeah

weyland]: 00:21:34

and so i'm like honestly i think that's good especially with expert classes because it

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makes sense that the whole idea of an expert classes is an abundance of skills

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right

[justin]: 00:21:43

yeah

weyland]: 00:21:43

and so it makes sense that the two spell casters have an abundance of options

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even if they have to

[justin]: 00:21:49

m

weyland]: 00:21:49

be more expert about how which ones they choose right

[justin]: 00:21:54

that makes that does make a lot of sense but yeah like you said i'm

[justin]: 00:21:58

really glad they overhauled the range of class because too many times people are like

[justin]: 00:22:03

oh i want to be like erigorn then they're more like sad stand for erigon

[justin]: 00:22:10

that can't really do much you're

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i know

[justin]: 00:22:12

just like oh i feel so bad for you poor poor player

weyland]: 00:22:17

yeah

[justin]: 00:22:17

but

weyland]: 00:22:18

go ahead

[justin]: 00:22:19

unless you had anything else about the ranger i was going to talk a little

[justin]: 00:22:21

bit about the rogue

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i mean just final things on the ranger favorite train is gone which frankly was

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kind of useless in my opinion

[justin]: 00:22:31

yeah

weyland]: 00:22:31

so ding dong the witch is dead not

[justin]: 00:22:35

yeah

weyland]: 00:22:35

ally it wasn't quite which level but

[justin]: 00:22:37

yeah

weyland]: 00:22:37

but it was just useless and so in my mind i think that was just

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a good you know cutting off the superfluous fat so to speak

[justin]: 00:22:47

m

weyland]: 00:22:48

um but yeah that was the last thing go ahead

[justin]: 00:22:51

i love it kind of the thing that stuck out to me is the sub

[justin]: 00:22:56

class they revealed for the rogue included i guess it's just a thief one to

[justin]: 00:23:03

me it sounds a whole lot more like indiana jones because like you can do

[justin]: 00:23:07

a lot more about like moving things and you can use items that usually you

[justin]: 00:23:12

wouldn't be able to and it seems very much like treasure hunter treasure finder very

[justin]: 00:23:21

versatile in that way but just my opinion i've been watching a lot of expedition

[justin]: 00:23:25

unknown so that's probably where my mind is anyways

weyland]: 00:23:28

hm yeah yeah i think that which i'd always hope that's the case because they've

weyland]: 00:23:34

only really talked about like a sub class per thing this

[justin]: 00:23:39

hm

weyland]: 00:23:40

time right um

[justin]: 00:23:41

yeah

weyland]: 00:23:42

but you the sub classes is where each gaming experience really changes and so i'm

weyland]: 00:23:48

glad that the thief has kind of seen a lot of that re working i

weyland]: 00:23:54

think it's

[justin]: 00:23:54

yeah

weyland]: 00:23:55

frankly i think they're going to need to re work the the rogue a little

weyland]: 00:23:59

bit you know

[justin]: 00:24:01

yeah

weyland]: 00:24:01

from this play test because they're there get some some changes that's for sure you

weyland]: 00:24:06

know

[justin]: 00:24:09

one thing this just kind of reminded me of it just all the classes in

[justin]: 00:24:14

general that i think is a big change so previously there was a level twenty

[justin]: 00:24:21

upgrade i guess that you get when you get to level twenty with

weyland]: 00:24:24

hm

[justin]: 00:24:24

this they've actually said that all level twenties from five are now something you get

[justin]: 00:24:32

at level eighteen then at level twenty you get what's called an epic boon which

[justin]: 00:24:37

is basically like a feat but like super powered there's there's a whole list of

[justin]: 00:24:42

them at the very bottom um

weyland]: 00:24:45

yeah

[justin]: 00:24:45

one is like i can't remember wat it's called but it's like epic boon of

[justin]: 00:24:49

like hitting or something like that and

weyland]: 00:24:51

uh

[justin]: 00:24:51

basically between

weyland]: 00:24:53

uh

[justin]: 00:24:53

like every short rest you can choose to just hit every like if you miss

[justin]: 00:24:59

one's a short rest you know once in between short rest a long rest which

[justin]: 00:25:03

to me is like crazy but like

weyland]: 00:25:05

oh

[justin]: 00:25:05

i think that's really cool

weyland]: 00:25:06

wait a second so once every short rest you can just choose to hit someone

[justin]: 00:25:11

so like let's say you've just had your short rest to go into combat you

[justin]: 00:25:16

swing and you miss and you use your epic boon and instead of missing you

[justin]: 00:25:23

just hit

weyland]: 00:25:24

yah amazing

[justin]: 00:25:26

then you can't use that until the next short rest or long rest or something

[justin]: 00:25:28

like that

weyland]: 00:25:29

m

[justin]: 00:25:29

but i mean by that point you're like fighting galactis you know like

weyland]: 00:25:34

yeah

[justin]: 00:25:36

planets swallowing things so he was for

weyland]: 00:25:42

i know i'm just looking through i just get reminded every once a while i've

weyland]: 00:25:49

played so few like crazy high level campaigns

[justin]: 00:25:53

right

weyland]: 00:25:54

especially with out like twenty at the level like uh

[justin]: 00:25:57

oh

weyland]: 00:25:57

spells but like some of these twenty of the level spells are like just incredible

[justin]: 00:26:02

kind of nuts yeah

weyland]: 00:26:03

yeah like like i do love all of the ones that just say true resurrection

weyland]: 00:26:12

i'm like

[justin]: 00:26:13

yes

weyland]: 00:26:14

so there's

[justin]: 00:26:14

yeah

weyland]: 00:26:14

a false resurrection i

[justin]: 00:26:16

lo

weyland]: 00:26:16

know there is like there is

[justin]: 00:26:17

yeah

weyland]: 00:26:17

one that's it only lasts for like twenty four hours or something but like

[justin]: 00:26:22

yeah

weyland]: 00:26:22

i think it's funny that added were true there

[justin]: 00:26:26

seriously

weyland]: 00:26:28

ah seriously it's also funny that they have a power word heal

[justin]: 00:26:36

i love

weyland]: 00:26:36

i've

[justin]: 00:26:36

that

weyland]: 00:26:36

got to look that one up because i've never looked it up but i was

weyland]: 00:26:39

just looking at the list on i was like because i know

[justin]: 00:26:42

oh

weyland]: 00:26:42

a lot of others are words that seem a lot more like helpful but

[justin]: 00:26:46

oh

weyland]: 00:26:46

i'm like i'm guessing power at heal is just straight up

[justin]: 00:26:49

oh

weyland]: 00:26:49

make them healthy completely but it's funny

[justin]: 00:26:53

right

weyland]: 00:26:53

as a level nine spell and like i mean that's cool but like yeah like

weyland]: 00:26:59

i'd rather do

[justin]: 00:27:00

he

weyland]: 00:27:00

a sunami or storm of vengeance or something you know

[justin]: 00:27:04

right so this is this is what power word heal says a wave of healing

[justin]: 00:27:11

energy washes over a creature you touch the target regains all its head points if

[justin]: 00:27:16

the creature is charmed frightened paralyze or stun the condition ends if the creature is

[justin]: 00:27:21

prone it can use its reaction stand up the spell has no effect on under

[justin]: 00:27:25

construct so bad news for un dead and war forged

weyland]: 00:27:31

dang dang so close so close to being a good thing um

[justin]: 00:27:37

that's got to be like a level eight thing because that doesn't seem like a

[justin]: 00:27:40

level nine thing

weyland]: 00:27:42

totally yeah but otherwise what kind of are there any other kind of final things

weyland]: 00:27:51

you want to talk

[justin]: 00:27:52

ye

weyland]: 00:27:52

about with some of the changes because a lot of it's nittygrity we're not

[justin]: 00:27:55

yeah

weyland]: 00:27:56

we're not going to be able to get into all of it because each class

weyland]: 00:28:00

has like some some small things we've tried to talk about some of the bigger

weyland]: 00:28:05

like things that

[justin]: 00:28:06

sure

weyland]: 00:28:06

they have been done but there's a lot of small things guys and and it

weyland]: 00:28:11

just it gets a little overwhelming you know

[justin]: 00:28:14

yeah i mean the only thing i would say is like if you haven't taken

[justin]: 00:28:19

the chance go to d d beyond and get on the cone for free just

[justin]: 00:28:24

downloadit read read through it and you know play test yourself because that's really the

[justin]: 00:28:28

best way you're going to know what's changed up what hasn't what you like and

[justin]: 00:28:32

what you don't there is a whole list of feeds and i saw most of

[justin]: 00:28:38

them are very similar or exact copies of what was in five

weyland]: 00:28:44

hm

[justin]: 00:28:44

but again i imagine that dandy on comes out with a whole lot more feet

[justin]: 00:28:51

and backgrounds for sure

weyland]: 00:28:54

yeah yeah i think i am interested in seeing

[justin]: 00:28:58

yeah

weyland]: 00:28:58

how they tweak these further because

[justin]: 00:29:00

oh

weyland]: 00:29:01

one thing that i just thought of was how the play test kind of two

weyland]: 00:29:07

roles i think that we and the second one we're not aware of as much

weyland]: 00:29:11

but the first role is like hey they spent all this time thinking up these

weyland]: 00:29:15

ideas and they want our feedback i think the bigger one is the second one

weyland]: 00:29:20

because you're going to have a lot of people providing feedback and also giving suggestions

weyland]: 00:29:25

and there's like so many smart like very creative people playing d and d

[justin]: 00:29:31

hm

weyland]: 00:29:32

and they're going to give wonderful suggestions for each of these classes about like you

weyland]: 00:29:38

know we probably will ive and see some new feats frankly i won't be

[justin]: 00:29:42

yeah

weyland]: 00:29:42

surprised that are just like cool period um and we're certainly going to see some

weyland]: 00:29:49

more balancing that i would say is probably led by the players um

[justin]: 00:29:54

agreed

weyland]: 00:29:54

and their feedback but

[justin]: 00:29:56

i

weyland]: 00:29:56

yeah

[justin]: 00:29:56

really like that

weyland]: 00:29:57

yeah

[justin]: 00:29:59

to add to that you know like we all watch like dimensioned twenty critical role

[justin]: 00:30:03

you know all the famous dungeon masters and such you listener i want you to

[justin]: 00:30:08

think about this the best dungeon master the world is probably unknown to everyone in

[justin]: 00:30:13

the world but like their table because

weyland]: 00:30:15

true

[justin]: 00:30:17

you know just chances are they are you know there's someone out there better than

[justin]: 00:30:22

matt mercer you know brandon what's his last name

weyland]: 00:30:28

uh

[justin]: 00:30:28

dimension twenty

weyland]: 00:30:29

yeah it's it's

[justin]: 00:30:31

shoot

weyland]: 00:30:31

brandon

[justin]: 00:30:33

brandon anyways him

weyland]: 00:30:36

yeah

[justin]: 00:30:36

you know

weyland]: 00:30:37

yes i know brandon

[justin]: 00:30:39

mind blank but but there's chances are there's bound to be someone out there better

[justin]: 00:30:44

than them that will never know of because they just don't want to be out

[justin]: 00:30:47

in public but they're just and hopefully that should encourage because maybe that person could

[justin]: 00:30:52

be you maybe that person is you

weyland]: 00:30:55

hm

[justin]: 00:30:55

it has to be someone said why not you so if i know there's lots

[justin]: 00:31:01

of listeners out there who have not actually dungeon mastered this is your call to

[justin]: 00:31:07

repentance if you're listening to this podcast you should be at least preparing for your

[justin]: 00:31:12

first session and you have no excuses because you have some unearhdrcana for free that

[justin]: 00:31:18

you can just go download and get in in play you know

weyland]: 00:31:22

yeah yeah exactly so so get out there everybody um and definitely you know download

weyland]: 00:31:28

i take a look a simple way if you're confused about how to get involved

weyland]: 00:31:33

with this play test what i would say is this one is a lot more

weyland]: 00:31:37

approachable than the other one

[justin]: 00:31:38

hm

weyland]: 00:31:38

to actually like play test and not just read because this one you can actually

weyland]: 00:31:43

take these three classes and like one of your players you know if any of

weyland]: 00:31:48

your players are really into this i would frankly encourage them to be like he

weyland]: 00:31:54

feel free to use the new the new rogues kind of temple it essentially and

weyland]: 00:32:01

we can you know see how it works right

[justin]: 00:32:05

agreed um that's all i have to say about that anything else tanna

weyland]: 00:32:09

no i think i think that's good let's we got some announcements right yeah

[justin]: 00:32:13

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[justin]: 00:32:18

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[justin]: 00:35:42

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