Wizards Presents & OneD&D: Updates in the World of D&D

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i'm there

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m welcome back to how to be a better d m before we get into

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the show let's jump into the warm up that we do with every show tanner

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and kind of going along with our theme of creating maps that i was talking

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to about the show building one shots you have the task you know you're playing

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with your group and they want to go to this dungeon that you just made

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up so now you have the task to populate the dungeon with three at least

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three unique rooms in the dungeon they don't have to be like breathtakingly unique but

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they have to be somewhat unique in a sense of this is an interesting room

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of the dungeon what would you put in that dungeon

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okay three unique rooms in the dungeon okay for one room it's a little mix

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of indiana jones in the last crusade slash what i'm planning for my d and

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one shot coming to her in a couple o weeks but basically what c is

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a treasure chest first well first off they enter into a large cavern it's domed

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kind of like rocky as if it were hewn out of the rocks of this

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dungeon and they enter and they see they see a big floor that seems almost

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as if it's made of glass it's just

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yeah

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shimmering in the light that's coming from a single hole in the top of the

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ceiling and which is shining down of course classic on a treasure chest

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oh

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and so the whole key of this room is that there are different kinds of

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symbols or riddles i mean it could be either one i'm going to say riddles

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because why not there's riddles on glass and they essentially have to step on the

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right answer if they step on and there's going to be multiple possible answers they

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step on the wrong things then they fall through right and they

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hm

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have chance for you know reflex save so that's one room

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m

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um second room i'm going to do a rope swing room because why not they

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walk in there on a plan form and then much like luke and lea before

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they knew they were siblings they will either hug each other or

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okay

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just like swing across um and you know it's

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will

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all

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there

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bad

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be snapping alligators in the water underneath

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for you yes um

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oh

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you want snapping alligaties

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m

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you get it okay justin

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thank you

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h h and then the third

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ah

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room is going to be you know what the third room is going to be

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a little it's going to be a little storage room

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that they walk into and they

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my

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don't think it's anything special but then they see some bagets in a barrel they

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go over one of the hungry players goes over starts playing with them one of

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the gates moves with a chunk sound and then and then

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oh

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it slides the barrel slides across and there's a ladder leading down and in there

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there's a little let's say nome who's running in a little mid dungeon way point

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shop for them that they of course have to buy but yes there you go

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i love that that's awesome

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yes but thank you for the warm up i'm feeling you know i'm feeling fired

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up thinking about bad

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m

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gets and broken glass

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yeah

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and everything but listeners dungeons and dragons is evolving wizards of the coast has come

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out with some major announcements in the last few weeks and today we're going to

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talk about them but first we want to welcome to how to be a better

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d m i'm your host tanner wayland and here with my cohort

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m

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justin lewis we're going to learn how to craft better stories for you and your

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players so d n d so you're m sessions of d and d five soon

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to be one d and d would just be the best they possibly can be

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you ready justin

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i am very ready i'm stoked

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perfect first though i mean cooler jets justin

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cool

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cool

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okay

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so first off just some announced announcements i'm running one shot september seventeenth at two

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p m mountain time i'm going to be sending out an email today so the

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time you listen to this podcast you should you who

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are playing you lucky few should be be sorry you should have a link for

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that and then otherwise we're going to make sure that everybody else can watch it

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on better dungeon master dot com for slash watch and you get to enjoy a

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good game d and d um so then our next one shot is on october

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twenty second now you're thinking wait tanner justin weren't you only going to do this

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every quarter we were

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m

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until we got some help from from friends and we're still nailing down the time

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of this one shot but we're pretty sure it's going to be october twenty second

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and we'll send out later information later so an important bit of information is that

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there's only one slot

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yes

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left for this one shot

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actually

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go ahead

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so i don't know i'll say i don't know if i would say that just

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because with the person who was going to your one shot if they moved to

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the october one then they're going to take up the one the one lot the

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oh

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one

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that's

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slot for the one shot

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that's right for the listener yeah

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yeah

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okay i'll go back and

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so just start that over sorry

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okay

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i wrote this like like a week ago i guess

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that's fine oh okay so as far as it goes

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oh

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once we once we send out the info for the october twenty second

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oh

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one shot don't worry we will be

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having another one shot for the final quarter so get excited for that

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as far as it goes if you want to

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my

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look at the web of waking dreams it's an original horror one shot created by

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our friend of the show and guest host bone daddy rob from this dungeon is

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occupied

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oh

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so in order to find out more about this go to better dungeon master dot

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com forward slash one shot and sign up today anything else

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yeah

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worth mentioning

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oh yes so big shout out to our listener his name is josh hermanstorfer he

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actually gave us some awesome feedback i sent out a survey and he filled it

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out and he gave us some great feedback and and we wanted to extend to

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you the same opportunity too help create the show you can have a stake and

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as you want and if you don't want to put your name don't put your

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the show what you do like what you don't like what things you might change

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and really just to wait for us to again figure out what is the best

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possible way to view more

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perfect love it so once again we really look forward to your feedback and in

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the meantime let's just jump into our topic today so i actually pitched this it

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to justin

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yeah

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because i was you know on youtube as one does and i saw the announcement

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by wizard wizards of the coast i believe that's who's in charge of that um

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and

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hm

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so they they basically announced not a new edition they made sure not to say

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that even though

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yeah

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for all intents and purposes it is they basicall are launching well first off they're

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launching a play test for essentially the next edition of d and d um which

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they're kind of almost phrasing their marketing is essentially

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yeah

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one d n d to rule them all you

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uh

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know not not that phrase but essentially that they're like oh there's not going to

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be additions there is just going to be one d and d

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yeah

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it comes with a few changes right like did you get a chance to kind

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of

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yeah

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watch their little video that they came out with

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i did indeed

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oh

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and one thing i will add is so a lot of this i believe actually

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oh

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is possible because wizards of the coast who created dungeons and dragons they bought dan

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d beyond and they actually mentioned in the show in the show but in their

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kind of youtube presentation announcing all of this that some of these particular initiatives are

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only possible because of their merger with d and d beyond and to tanner's point

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you know they said in in the video that five was built based on things

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that players liked or didn't like about previous editions and they're trying to do that

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with one d n d but the they're doing it in kind of i guess

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they're following the format of major video games you know rather than fortnight getting a

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new edition they just have patches come out and things change here and there and

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a new seasons come and i think that's what one d and d is really

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trying to mimic right

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yeah yeah exactly and i think that's it's kind of i mean for better or

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worse they're essentially my guests switching to a subscription

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m

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model you could almost say

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yeah

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um

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yeah

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not necessarily for the content because you know you can buy books and everything like

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that

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hm

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but i mean just before we get into this like the nuts and bolts is

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that wizards was coming out to announce it because similar to many other kind of

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table top r p g systems when they're trying to release a new a new

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edition and they have a play test and they kind of throw all of their

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different ideas at the wall and see what and they say what sticks now the

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only other

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yeah

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kind of recent one that i'm that i can think

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yeah

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of or compare to another kind of similar system pathfinder they did one for their

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second you know edition of pathfinder and they did a play test and p had

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all these different negative and positive thoughts on it and

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m

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and then they came out with the official like second edition right

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oh

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and something that people didn't realize as like oh the play test actually the feedback

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was listened to you know a lot of the

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m

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things in the play test that people were if on it got changed and that's

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one thing i want to point out here right now they've just released stuff for

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the play test which i believe

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hm

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you can find info on is that on d n d beyond where you can

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get

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yeah

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in

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yeah it's just read on the home page it's

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oh

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like when you go to the home page there's kind of at least last time

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i checked there's like four boxes at the top and end the one i think

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third from the left is the one d and d beyond or one d and

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d play test material

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oh

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or at least the first batch

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yeah and so basically this is a great chance they're kind of giving it to

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everyone to be like hey try it out give us your feedback and then hopefully

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yeah

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their goal is to release official one d and d um in twenty twenty four

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so it's going to be a sec and i'm interested i'm interested to see how

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it goes frankly

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for sure and and actually that the first batch of play test material we're going

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a dig into it and kind of talk about it on a separate episode so

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i guess stay tuned for that but one thing i would iterate okay two things

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i'll iterate is one it's going to be created on the foundation of five v

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because five was popular there were lots of things good going there's going to be

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changes and frankly this is the second thing if you as a player don't like

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those changes then you can actually tell d and d

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oh

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tell wizard the coast they have a survey essentially attached to the play test materials

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and you can say hey this i didn't like this and you know just like

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tanner said with pathfinder to they're going to listen to it and hopefully change it

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you know

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yeah exactly this is you know frankly i've been watching a lot of videos you

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know commentary on one d n d and their proposed changes es really some of

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the rule changes

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m

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and people are concerned you know rightfully so for some of the stuff but

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oh

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you know i think that the wizards of the coast is right to you know

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throw some of these you know

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yah

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throw out some of these ideas because some of them are

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like oh

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m

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this could be bad but i don't

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yeah

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technically know no

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right

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we haven't had a chance to actually play with it and so now i would

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say first off keep an open mind and then if you play with the new

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play test material and your concern is realized then like hey that's what they're looking

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for they're looking for your feedback they're looking for any kind of suggestions you have

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um but yeah just kind of to move on and

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m

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talk about some of the specifics here uh you know they've well yeah they've like

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they've added a new race they've

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hm

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changed they've made

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oh

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some significant differences to how races i belie they're calling them backgrounds now

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right

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m and like which i think is like smart you know because

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hm

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like if you get a little too nittygritty with each of the races and the

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sub races you

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hm

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know it just gets a little weird and it's like hey let's just call them

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ah

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a background and

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yep

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you know the different kind of races or backgrounds have different feats associated and so

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that's kind of different well fairly different and then there's a changes to some rules

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like oh how crits work and also

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m

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like how

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may

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they categorize magic for the further purpose of for different you know classes and things

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like that one of the big things though and justin you know if you have

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any thoughts on this they're releasing

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sure

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a virtual tabletop like essentially engine for you to play games on

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yeah to be honest when i so again they are that specifically was only possible

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because of their pairing with din as well as also in addition to that they're

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now going to be releasing digital physical bundles so you can get the physical books

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and the digital books which

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oh

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is nice but all of this is possible because they s with dandy beyond specifically

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for the virtual engine i honestly think that that is kind of a bid for

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staking their claim for m tabletop role playing games in the medaverse i guess if

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you can say that so um i honestly think this is them trying to say

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hey when virtual reality becomes even more prolific and ubiquitous d n d is the

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thing to do and you can play it just with none and your friends you

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know and i don't know how i feel about that like ready player one was

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an awesome movie but i'm also kind of scared of like society changing but

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oh

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only time will tell you know

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yeah you know change is scary it's okay just

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yeah

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and it's okay

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uh

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you know honestly

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uh

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though i hear

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ah

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that for me it's a little bit more of you know initially i thought it

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was awesome frankly

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yeah

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and i don't know if we want to go into this now basically the nuts

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and bolts is that it's made with the unreal engine and so in their video

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it actually looks incredible you know but

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yeah

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of course you know i have concede about if it will always look incredible i

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don't know

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yeah

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but either

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m

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way it's it's it's like an upgraded version of role twenty you could almost say

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specific

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yeah

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to dungeons and draft and um m and i think that that's that is probably

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one of the biggest things because like yeah new rules everything like that that's big

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them kind of making a bid for like you say that kind of virtual reality

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slash just like a new major competitor against role twenty and these other online tabletop

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hm

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systems uh yeah that's it's a big news you know but so just for the

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listeners we're planning on kind of talking about what they're doing and then later talking

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about our thoughts on it just in general but but just in anything else that

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you think we ought to cover before moving on

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yeah so just kind of a heads up for for those of you who might

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not be aware they just released kind of not necessarily well it was part of

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this but it was

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m

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also like slightly before

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m

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they released spell gammer a whole kind of source book

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yeah

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bundle complete with monsters new race even some rules for not are

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oh

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space combat i guess you will if you will and for

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oh

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those of you who are n't aware spell

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m

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jammers uh kind of an old d and d setting which takes place in the

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astral c like essentially think of the movie treasure planet and that is spell jammer

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right that that's the kind of adventures that you're allowed to do it's d indian

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space so that's available now i'm actually looking forward to get that for myself sooner

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or later but also they are releasing new resources for another d and setting which

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is the setting of dragon lance or the world of grin which i have a

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fund place in my heart i actually started reading dragon lance novels before i ever

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heard of the forgotten realms so you know like all of those stories are near

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and dear to my heart but one cool thing about that is they're also releasing

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a companion board game for the dragon lance world that you can play in india

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but this board game is supposed to help you play out kind of grand war

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scenarios which to be honest i always thought that war was kind of something that

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was pretty difficult to do in dandy so i'm excited to see how this works

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and i'm hopeful that the dragon lance resources don't read they already said they don't

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require the board game but i'm hopeful that the resources

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m

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themselves for d and d will allow you to simulate grand conflicts like war easily

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even without the board game and just having the board game makes it a little

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bit more fun you know

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absolutely and i'm glad that these things are coming out still because i don't know

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sometimes when other companies

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m

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have moved down from one product you know essentially d d five

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hm

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in this case right on to one den i'm always worried that they kind

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m

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of abandon their old one and i still think that's coming to some extent but

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yeah

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it's nice to see that they're still releasing that right now like spell gammer i

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think that's just classic right

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yeah

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you mentioned treasure planet i think everybody would be you know remiss if they didn't

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play camp and set in a very treasure planet sk style and play that one

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song that everybody knows from that movie

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oh

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you know um you know the one but

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i do i

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yeah

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do

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you do yeah you do

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love it

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but yeah honestly take a look at wizards of the coast are doing a lot

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of cool things right now but first let's let's talk about opinions and everything but

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first i believe you've got a continuation

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yeah

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to the warm up right

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yes i do so for this dungeon

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m

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with these three very interesting rooms that you have just made up on the fly

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what would you say is kind of the not the core but like the mystery

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at its center so either what's the big boss or

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yeah

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what's the treasure that they're looking for like what's the purpose of this dungeon

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okay purpose of the dungeon the purpose of the dungeon i'm gonna you know what

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i'm going to say that the core of this dungeon is a disappointed child m

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who

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i know right wait until i figure out what that means no i'm just

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yeah yeah

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i'm thinking about him like okay swinging on ropes every child's fantasy uh

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yeah

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you know walking like where would you hide something from a child across a thing

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of glass where they could easily fall you know and

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yeah

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what do kids like they like when people buy stuff for them and

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m

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so essentially they're going through this dungeon and they little by little realize the story

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in the murals on it that this dungeon is created by a super powerful being

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who um well actually a super powerful beings child who had been born and then

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bereaved of their parents but the child was also like galactically powerful in like have

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great arc powers and essentially molded you know there their desire for for love for

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you know or care for gifts everything kind of molded into a dungeon and these

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players stumble up on it and little by little you know they can either learn

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what it's all about and try and show that child love by like by bringing

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certain gifts that they found or they could just try and attack the child and

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see how that goes and see if they and now

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m

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like basically take down this super powerful um like child childlike creature so yeah

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yeah

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that's that's what i have for now

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an that was really good have you have you seen hiomazaki's spirited way

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you know yeah of course of course

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you know what you just described made me think of that giant baby person that's

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yes

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the son of the witch

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exactly

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um dan

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ah

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that's a freaking cool dungeon i hope you know

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oh

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flesh that out soon so was

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yeah you know that's that's the next one you know that's a

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yeah

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dungeon of the cry baby coming coming

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i

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in

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love

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hot

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it i love it so i think we're talking about our opinions on what wizards

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of the coast is doing now right

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yeah is there anything you want to start with because i mean i'm interested to

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talk about the table to

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ah

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the virtual tabletop along

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yeah

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with some of the rule changes and things like that you

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yeah

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have anywhere you want to start

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uh actually um let's start with the virtual tabletop i want to hear what you

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think and then i'll give my two cents

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okay virtual table top some people were saying so one guy came at it from

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a video that i thought was very interesting you know i was

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hm

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like okay i see his point but i also disagree his main point was like

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oh there are two reasons why this is bad one you know that they're going

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to charge like a subscription entially to use this service

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hm

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right much like roll twenty they have an upgraded version that you can pay monthly

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for right

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hm

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and they're an he's saying like hey they're doing all this stuff on unreal gen

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that's not cheap you know so they're going

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yep

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to put in that time his second point was that like oh people become less

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you know less imaginative you know they'll kind of do adventures that you are able

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to do within the virtual reality versus kind of doing some theater of the mind

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and some other stuff and i mean i partially agree with him you know yeah

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hm

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like for example in terms of the cost i do think that this is going

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to be high quality um but as a person who you know growing up was

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constantly trying to find work around for things with subscriptions you know i played

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m

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guild wars online because world

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m

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of war craft had a monthly subscription i you know i tried to find

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yep

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like free content on line when i was creating um you know campaigns

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yeah

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essentially for d and d like free pictures and stuff i could put in instead

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of buying the actual thing on role twenty or d and d beyond you know

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like

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hm

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from that point of view i'm like yeah i think that's that's an certainly concern

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you know about affordability there because it's certainly not going to be free nor do

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i think it should be free but yeah i don't know what do you think

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so as you were talking i was kind of thinking about like various pricing models

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um everything that well d n d beyond has done so far ben there's a

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freemium model so free and then you can pay to upgrade and that seems to

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be kind of standard across the dandy market you know rolled twenty

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m

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for the most part so i could see that this virtual engine this virtual tabletop

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game is kind of the premium model but then i also thought you know like

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that's not going to be cheap that's going to be a subscription i thought

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hm

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about all those deums there who spend you know myself included spend time and money

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uh creating or building tabletop mines you know and you can play the game for

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free essentially but you get those mines to augment the game and i thought back

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to the video that they showed in uh the wizard's presents video um and one

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thing to note here is that they didn't say that this one d n d

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is going to be ready next year they said it's going to be ready twenty

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twenty four which means it's at least a year and a half away probably more

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in my opinion i don't think it's going to come out january first twenty twenty

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four which means

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yeah

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i think at they showed kind of to be honest is is but i think

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that they showed a video of what it could look like not necessarily what it

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does look like

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yeah

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and they've they've assembled you know so i could easily see them offering it for

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free especially because either you're going to need some sort of virtual reality

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m

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equipment or you just have it on your computer but then you have to pay

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to get certain mines that you can use in the virtual tabletop because the video

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they shared wasn't you know with a character fighting

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oh

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these things it was you looking at a table top you know with minnie's and

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everything

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oh

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and and much like we'd have it at a normal table and i think they

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want to preserve that so i could see them go in either the subscription route

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or you know you pay for different rain pieces many things like that much like

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you would do in normal life and you know with the world of n f

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t s that's not that's not impossible you know what i'm saying

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yeah and i kind of expect that it's going to be like that right like

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there's probably going to be

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hm

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some i mean it would be a bold move if they just make the entire

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thing free but like basically

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right

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make it so that the content like or the

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right

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mines you know the

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yeah

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actual like pieces and everything are behind the pay wall you know that's

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m

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an option um

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hm

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in terms of the creativity aspect you know i i hear that that like you

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know oh if this thing comes out like a meta verse or whatever then some

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people might feel like oh we like it's not really d and d if this

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isn't he thing and frankly i don't

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hm

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like i think that's a little bit you know

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yeah

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like fear mongering in terms of like oh people

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imogene

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get yeah comoginy where it's like hey things are if it gets so good then

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people won't want to go back and i'm like i mean people will do what

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they want to do

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yeah

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you know but

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i agree

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yeah

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i think like you know we just had covid nineteen right a lot of people

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went to playing dandy online and then the second they were allowed to or ever

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they went back to playing with their friends and family because

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hm

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like as much as we do like the convenience of being able to talk over

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riverside like we are we do like being in the same room we get a

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lot more sights smells sounds feelings even of just being in the same room i

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am curious because all of science fiction points to the fact that humanity will devolve

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into more of a

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m

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you know luxury and uh what's the word like they do whatever is easiest

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like

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and so

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indolent

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i'm

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is probably

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exactly

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the really fancy

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yeah

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word for it

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yeah i am curious to see but know the doubter inside me says the tech

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isn't there quite yet and i mean we all have to go to work or

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we all have to exist in real life so i think do prefer those real

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life experiences right now but there's only only time we'll tell you know

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yeah and it's not like in a way i'm like oh it's cool that someone's

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essentially taking role twenty and making it like the next step which is kind of

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triple

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hm

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aging

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m

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the whole thing right by making it so you can look at the computer and

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is like oh high definition minnies and everything right and you can build the

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hm

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dungeons because right now you kind of have to go to other places to find

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tools that you can

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right

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do that with right hand i'm like it would be cool if they did it

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all together and if they had some real money they do like that's the thing

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that i kind of like here as much as

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yeah

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i personally don't love when certain things get monopolized um like like social media but

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like facebook metavers whatever

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yeah

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you want to call it right i do appreciate when like a company with a

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lot of money gets to essentially throw like that money at a problem and see

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if it solves it you know

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yeah

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and i'm like yeah in terms of taking the virtual playing of d and d

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to the next level you know we'll just have to see how how that works

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i think that this is a big step forward that way and then hopefully other

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hopefully they come up with some ideas that other creators can kind of rift off

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of you know um

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for sure

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but other than that have you had any thoughts any other changes with d n

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d with one d and

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yeah um for

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ah

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one well and actually

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yeah

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kind of go in to your previous point one thing i do want

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yeah

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to note is that the d and d movie or the remake or the next

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d n d movie whatever have you want to call it is coming out i

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think next year which should hopefully be a nice shot in the arm for d

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n d as a whole and hopefully flood some and for some of these projects

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to make them so that even if the idea is terrible that the text doesn't

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suck

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yeah

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you know but one thing that i'm still not like is the kind of changing

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of the backgrounds races feats and all that so basically

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m

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my thought process with the races is you know it was kind of cool to

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be able to choose to be a dragon born because you get these certain buffs

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and flaws and crap like that but they've somewhat changed it so that way no

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matter who you are your stat change based on how you want them to change

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so it's not based on race and the only thing that you

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oh

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get from your race are specific racial features which i guess makes a lot more

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sense um m you know but it kind of like the whole trope of dwarfs

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being somewhat hardy and strong you can still choose that but now you're going to

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see a lot more dwarfs that aren't that way and and to me it's like

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how can you have interesting exceptions to the rule if there aren't rules any

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yeah

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more you know and maybe that's me being a karmudgen but i think we're going

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to see a lot more exceptions to the rule which won't be as interesting because

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you know there's there's not that trope of every dwarf is strong and hardy but

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instead certain dwarfs are smart or fast or whatever you know m i just again

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i worry that maybe the creativity won't be there because everyone will just be able

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to do whatever they want which sounds like it's more creative but i don't know

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one thing i

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yeah

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do like the go ahead

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no go ahead

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i was just going to say i was reading some of the play test material

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and we'll go into that a little bit more in another episode but one thing

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i do like is that there aren't really sub races anymore they call it legacies

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and they've actually added more legacies to certain races um te flings for example and

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the legacy also have not just physical effect on your character but also a mechanical

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effect based on m like the legacy you received

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oh

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from your ancestors and things like that i do think that is a really cool

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concept of you know you're a te fling but this one's an ebistalteefling so they

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get various boons from their demon blood and this one's a infernal te fling and

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they get various boons from their devil blood different and i think that does make

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it a lot more dynamic

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yeah i think that i think some of the things they're doing is the groundwork

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for an interesting change in how you approach

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m

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you know creating a character because with

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hm

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their inclusion of you know hey

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oh

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we're going to instead of doing the whole mechanical changes we're

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m

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goin to do feats

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hm

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um there essentially being like hey let's not put each type of race in a

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box and to that

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right

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point i'm like you know what i get that like

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yeah

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it's nice to be like hey if you want the tip or you know just

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distribute your points accordingly you know

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right

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however if you want an ork who's a scholar and everybody's like oh you know

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fie on you you know and he's out

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yeah

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an outcast then it's like oh at that point you can you know make them

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know respect them in a different way but they

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yeah

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still have same feats uh and then like you said the lineages or legacies those

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are just nice ways to

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ah

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um you know just to

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m

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differentiate them a little bit more like the old system but i think they've just

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slimmed it down

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yeah

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and one thing i thought was interesting is that you know one thing i've

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yes

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noticed about d and d five they you know there's a lot of home brew

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content or other content out for you know different kinds of races right or

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hm

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you know but but they have like in terms of the core races they keep

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it pretty simple pretty tight i

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yeah

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would like to say

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yeah

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right and this time they're adding one race and it's just funny to me that

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it took them this long to do it

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yeah

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you know and i'm like

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yeah

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and they added a race that i don't i mean i don't know it's like

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it's a very interesting

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hm

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like so they added something called ard lings

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yep

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and in case anybody s wondering that's essentially you know t flings they're kind of

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like demon spawn kind of delos uh ard lings are the opposite they're more i

weyland]: 00:37:37

angelic and same as how the teflings now have three uh three legacies or lineages

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that they can account branch out into same for the ardlings it's like oh they

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have these different three different types um and

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yeah

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there's actually like because previously there was a different kind of like essentially angelic race

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m

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in d and d and it's kind of funny that instead of going with that

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one they just went with a new one called art lings i don't know

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yeah yeah i thought the same thing to um i do like their description

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oh

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of ard links it makes

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ah

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me

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m

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think of kind of the egyptian gods how

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yeah

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you know the bodies of a human their heads are animalistic

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m

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uh and to me that

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oh

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that's very interesting it's different and it's unique um i do wonder though why they

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didn't just say

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oh

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you know a mar are these and sometimes they

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oh

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have the heads of humans sometimes they have the heads of animals and

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yeah

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you know these are i don't know i don't know why

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yeah

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they went completely left field you know

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now because asonmar already exists right

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yeah

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and they're

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exactly

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essentially that equivalent of a celestial thing and i'm like you know what good on

weyland]: 00:38:51

them for like at first i thought it was weird and i still think it's

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a little weird that they didn't just canonize a simar in a more real

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uh

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way

lewis]: 00:39:00

uh yeah

weyland]: 00:39:00

but i'm like you know what good on them for being creative and like you

weyland]: 00:39:04

said the description very interesting where it's like oh they're part animal which frankly speaking

weyland]: 00:39:10

that's more in line with a lot of ancient religion like texts for how

lewis]: 00:39:14

yeah

weyland]: 00:39:14

they describe angels and things like that right even

lewis]: 00:39:17

right

weyland]: 00:39:17

in the bible there's like wings for days and eyes and everything else

lewis]: 00:39:20

uh

weyland]: 00:39:20

right uh

lewis]: 00:39:22

uh

weyland]: 00:39:23

and it's

lewis]: 00:39:23

m

weyland]: 00:39:23

like you know that's probably closer to what things would be angelically celestials speaking

lewis]: 00:39:30

yeah

weyland]: 00:39:31

so yeah we'll have to see i think the people were like oh that's weird

weyland]: 00:39:35

you came up with a whole new race instead of just you know sticking with

weyland]: 00:39:38

a simar but you know i think good on em for being creative

lewis]: 00:39:44

sure for sure i think the last thing that we can really riff on is

lewis]: 00:39:51

the crits so they are

weyland]: 00:39:53

yeah

lewis]: 00:39:53

changing how crit work crit now so so natural twenty automatic success natural one automatic

lewis]: 00:40:01

failure and there's some other rules on that so like let's see

weyland]: 00:40:08

yeah

lewis]: 00:40:09

no monster slash dem crit attacks and magic

weyland]: 00:40:12

yeah

lewis]: 00:40:13

attacks don't create but physical tacks do that right

weyland]: 00:40:16

yeah yeah so like people are up in arms about this and this is where

weyland]: 00:40:21

i really want to emphasize the play test part of this um

lewis]: 00:40:25

hm

weyland]: 00:40:25

for example because in the past technique i only like with a tax would like

weyland]: 00:40:30

a natural one or an actual twenty like do that you know where it's like

weyland]: 00:40:35

oh you fail regardless of your modifier

lewis]: 00:40:38

hm

weyland]: 00:40:39

and you know or you succeed regardless but skills that wasn't the case right you

weyland]: 00:40:44

weren't supposed to be able to nat to crit either bad for better or worse

weyland]: 00:40:50

on a skill

lewis]: 00:40:50

hm

weyland]: 00:40:50

check you just weren't supposed to be like hey still add your modifier and see

weyland]: 00:40:55

if it works but people

lewis]: 00:40:56

hm

weyland]: 00:40:57

were naturally

lewis]: 00:40:57

m

weyland]: 00:40:58

already kind of treating it the same as a tax here they're like oh my

weyland]: 00:41:01

goodness you got a natural twenty so what if you know this in order to

weyland]: 00:41:07

succeed you needed a twenty five you got a natural twenty like you know that's

weyland]: 00:41:12

good enough

lewis]: 00:41:12

hm

weyland]: 00:41:13

and

lewis]: 00:41:13

hm

weyland]: 00:41:14

to that point you know some people are mad about that me i'm like i

weyland]: 00:41:18

was the kind of person who especially if i be playing with someone who's new

weyland]: 00:41:22

to d and d i'd throw him a bone i'd be like oh my goodness

weyland]: 00:41:25

natural twine yeah you did it great awesome let's be creative you know but so

weyland]: 00:41:31

i don't have a problem there but i understand what people are saying like oh

weyland]: 00:41:34

my goodness the grits like

lewis]: 00:41:36

hm

weyland]: 00:41:36

you can't just naturally win on a skill check i don't know yeah

lewis]: 00:41:41

ah um one quick side i think auber's gonna hop in here real quick so

lewis]: 00:41:45

we might want to finish

weyland]: 00:41:47

and

lewis]: 00:41:47

up real quick

weyland]: 00:41:48

kay

lewis]: 00:41:49

um m one one thought i had on that is i wish that and maybe

lewis]: 00:41:54

i'll treat it this way in my personal games and kind of play tested that

lewis]: 00:41:57

way but in intriting crit and stuff i think i'm gonna start going that whatever

lewis]: 00:42:05

the d c is they have to beat that if they roll a one or

lewis]: 00:42:08

natural twenty uh that doesn't necessarily mean they succeed or fail but let's they roll

lewis]: 00:42:14

a natural twenty but the d c is twenty five and they get a twenty

lewis]: 00:42:18

four i'm goin to say you fail just barely but something amazing happens what amazing

lewis]: 00:42:24

thing happens that does not make succeed and

weyland]: 00:42:27

yeah

lewis]: 00:42:27

kind of steal steal that same type of idea from the fantasy flight star war's

lewis]: 00:42:32

genesis game where if you roll a triumph or despair you know something amazing or

lewis]: 00:42:37

something despicable happens that is somewhat related but it's also kind of out of the

lewis]: 00:42:42

blue i think i think that might be good way to do that if you're

lewis]: 00:42:47

really still not interested with the the natural twenty natural

weyland]: 00:42:50

yeah

lewis]: 00:42:51

one automatic success failure model but

weyland]: 00:42:54

yeah

lewis]: 00:42:54

like tanner said play test this you know

weyland]: 00:42:57

yeah exactly and so on that note there's plenty more we could talk about we're

weyland]: 00:43:00

not going to today we'll talk about it later but in the meantime get out

weyland]: 00:43:04

there get play testing i think you'll be happier with end product if you do

weyland]: 00:43:10

um and you know until then let's all roll initiative