Episode 129

2023 in Retrospect and the Prospects of 2024

Welcome back to How to Be a Better DM.

Today, Tanner and Justin talk about the joys of 2023 and what to look forward to in 2024. The transcript is below.

We also mention today's sponsor, Magic Mind.

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Justin (00:03.449)

Welcome back to How to be a Better DM, the official podcast of Monsters.Rent. I'm your host today, Justin Lewis, here with Tanner Wayland, my brother in arms, my compadre, my colega. How's it going?

Tanner Weyland (00:18.222)

Such a good man. I'm so many things. I'm excited.


Justin (00:22.386)

Well, you are everything, but you're also Tanner. And that's exactly what we need. I'm being a little nostalgic today because today is the last podcast episode of 2023. Now I never thought we would get to 2023, right? Because you never see yourself moving forward in time. But I think today it would be ad propo, whatever that means, to take a look back.


Tanner Weyland (00:28.891)

Hahaha


Justin (00:50.253)

at 2023 and also take a look forward into 2024, maybe do some divination magic and see what the future holds for us. What do you think, Tanner?


Tanner Weyland (01:00.042)

I'm down for that. Yeah, let's, oh, go ahead, sorry.


Justin (01:01.773)

Excellent. Well, I was gonna say, let's start with 2023. And Tanner, if you want to kick us off.


Tanner Weyland (01:07.463)

Ciao.


Tanner Weyland (01:10.826)

I mean, yeah, just to on a personal note, it's been, it's been a busy year. One things have gotten busier with the podcast as we'll talk about, but also, uh, I mean, just personally got a dog. We got a house, uh, a house at the start of the year, dog halfway through the year, good old banjo. He's a, he's a cutie. He probably just heard me bless his heart. Um, but yeah, it's been a great Christmas season. Uh, Kirstie and I are doing well. Uh, otherwise, you know, just.


Things are busy, but we're keeping up over here. How about you, Justin?


Justin (01:42.841)

Yes, things are also busy for us. We had a baby. That's probably the biggest thing that happened to us personally this year, back in August, my wife and I had a baby. Funny story, for nine months, we thought the baby was gonna be a girl. The ultrasounds told us it was gonna be a girl. And then the baby came out as a boy. So check your ultrasounds, people. You don't wanna surprise like that. But having a baby has been very rewarding, very tiring.


both those things.


Tanner Weyland (02:13.962)

Yeah. And I mean, I believe that that's, that's the thing about kids. You get a lot from them, but, uh, they request everything from you.


Justin (02:22.277)

Absolutely, absolutely. Well, specifically talking about the podcast, we've had actually a really good year. It's been fun seeing the podcast grow. And one of my favorite things this year has been just in November, we had our highest download month. We had 5,000 downloads in the month, over 5,000 downloads, which is not a small thing, right? I think...


Most podcasts never get past 10 episodes, right? Just that's how it is statistically. And you're in the top 50% of podcasts if you get more than 100 listens on any episode within the first seven days, and we get around 200. So we're probably in the top 70% of podcasts maybe. Obviously it is kind of an exponential curve, but it's really cool to see the growth we're having. And more than that, I think is


you know, having people reach out and being like, yeah, you guys are helping us, you know, DM better or helping me. I just like listening to you guys. And it's just, it's fun to think, you know, we did something that people like, which in this day and age is pretty, pretty rare.


Tanner Weyland (03:40.914)

Yeah, you know, I think that it's a great thing just seeing that, you know, I don't think of us as any kind of exceptional people. Like, obviously, we have a lot of advice on being DMs, but it's nice to know that it's like, hey, if we and, you know, the guests we bring on, just share some of our thoughts, you know, think a little deeper about the individual parts of being a DM, then you can do really good work. It's kind of like a journaling in your personal life where it's like, yeah.


If you just spend a little bit more thought deconstruct things a little bit, uh, regurgitate it in a good way, then essentially you, you learn, there's a lot to learn from just a simple review of things. Right. And so that's, that's been kind of an interesting thing. And I've loved knowing that we're, we're helping people that way.


Justin (04:30.853)

Absolutely. I mean, even though we talk a lot about DMing, I would in no way, shape or form claim us to be the world's best DMs. Well, I can't speak for Tanner, but myself, I DMed just last night, and afterwards I was like, man, I need to get way better. But I'm sure that that's how a lot of people feel. And honestly, that's why how to be a better DM exists, because we want you to not feel that way instead. Finish the session being like, wow, that was so great. I'm just so happy.


Tanner Weyland (05:01.65)

Yeah, exactly. And you know, we try and change it up with the with the topics if you know, in the future, if you guys ever are like, hey, we want specific topics or types of content, like, we've considered, you know, reviewing


other people's games, you know, as they DM we considered a lot of different types of things. We always try and get on guests who we think would be valuable. But if any of you have any ideas, we of course welcome that.


Justin (05:32.785)

Yeah, actually, you can go on Instagram, look up at howtobetterdm or at monsters.rent, send us a message, suggestions, or even content that we missed in an episode. You know, if you think that a particular episode needs to be fleshed out a little bit more, definitely let us know. Or if, like Tanner said, you want us to basically, you know, commentate on your session, you just have to record your session and send it to us. But...


Really over this last year, like Tanner mentioned, we had some pretty great guests. I think one of my favorites was Victor Bovine. And that's mostly just because, you know, I kind of cut my teeth on the Forgotten Realms by listening to the Drizzt o'Urden series by R.A. Salvatore. And Victor Bovine was the voice actor, right? And so, you know, his voice for me is Drizzt o'Urden. And it was really cool to, you know, to listen to him. It was also fun, you know, hanging out with Andy from WeGeek together. And,


having like that live podcast feel, which is kind of rare for us just because our guests are mostly not in the same locale. Though I do think, you know, moving into the next year, I think it would be cool to have more and more in-person guests if we can get them.


Tanner Weyland (06:47.254)

Yeah, agreed. Like Andrew, he was great. Cause I mean, you should have seen all the technical issues we had going into that. Cause we, we weren't onsite, you know, we, we didn't do it at either of our places or at a studio, we went to we geek together, you know, his store set up there, just so many technical issues getting it set up. And then once it was finally done, it was just cool to actually have a chill conversation and we even thought that we had lost like the, the recording and we found it. And so like that one.


I think I'm nostalgic for it from like a trauma standpoint because it was like both you had the bitter and the sweet you know but that one was memorable for me


Justin (07:26.663)

Yeah.


Justin (07:29.817)

Agreed, agreed. Also, we want to say thank you to everyone who participated with us in the one-shots of last year. We know that they weren't as periodic. They didn't happen every month. But we were grateful to you for joining us and having fun with us, even amidst the technical difficulties of the one-shots. I know the last one that I did, very technically difficult.


And hopefully in the next year we can have more one-shots and more people join. Even if there are opportunities for live one-shots in person, if there's a group of listeners here in the Utah region, we can get together and do a one-shot that way. That would be fun, I think. But again, just wanted to say thank you for everyone who participated and also for all the guest DMs we've had over the last couple of years.


Tanner Weyland (08:24.298)

Yeah, absolutely. It's always fun seeing you guys, meeting you guys, and also just playing. We learn a lot every time that we do, because it's one thing playing with a party that you've played with consistently. Playing with a new one always is such a learning experience. So thank you for being, I mean, our friends and our guinea pigs to some extent. So thank you.


Justin (08:48.895)

Yeah


Absolutely. Another great thing that we did this year was the guild. And the guild is sort of a kind of collaboration between the podcast and Monsters.Rent. And really it's all the same thing, but just for your information, the guild is basically a free community that the goal is to connect people.


who are like-minded in the same space, but also give them resources and things like that, right? We have the beginning of a Dungeon Mastering course, and we have some downloadable resources available online through the guild, again, all free. And for me, the coolest thing of the guild has been, one, seeing people slowly kind of come in, right? And every new person that enters the guild adds so much to everyone who's already there, and...


hopefully to themselves, but also seeing the collaboration between the people within the guild, seeing people talk about homebrew monsters that they're working on or puzzles that they found. It's just really cool to sort of sit back and see you guys, because if we could bottle up all of your knowledge and experience, I think that would be way more informational and helpful than what we can say.


And it's frankly just kind of a treat just to be kind of on the receiving end of that.


Tanner Weyland (10:18.93)

Yeah, absolutely. That one's been just fun seeing like it's growing slowly because we haven't been doing it that long. But but every time it does then you feel you know, like, like you each new person is like a measurable help to everyone else. And I love that.


Justin (10:35.013)

Yeah, yeah. It's also growing slowly, I'd say, because I don't know about you, Tanner, but I have no idea how to do Discord, right? Like, I don't know technically very well. But also, I'm not like a people person, per se, so it's kind of a stretch for me being like, yeah, welcome, let's talk about these things. So it's definitely a new experience.


Tanner Weyland (10:58.962)

Yeah, absolutely. So thank you for your patience with us, if you are a part of that. And if you're not, come join, you know? Add to the milieu, as the French say, of the voices and everything. For us, I mean, probably the thing that's made me busiest this year is, I mean, aside from the podcast in general, it's Monsters.Rent. You guys have heard us talk about that, you know, for a hot second now. But...


Yeah, it's just been kind of an eye opening experience where it's like, yeah, there's a lot more to a, uh, miniature rental business than you'd think. Uh, but it's, it's had a lot of, uh, a lot of ups, some downs, but, um, you know, I think for me, like, uh, a big up was just, you know, at the start, there's always a question when you're starting kind of like a side venture, a side project.


of like, okay, how much do we throw ourselves into it at the start? And do we do it slowly? Do we just jump in and, you know, see if we can swim? And I think we got a good experience with that with the dead wars that we geeked together through, through back in, was it May?


Justin (12:14.773)

I think it was May, April, around there.


Tanner Weyland (12:17.25)

May, April. Yeah. Because you know, we, we made and painted like, what it was like 200 minis for that. And then beyond that, we, like we went to the show, we had a booth, you know, we got a sign printed, you know, we kind of put our best foot forward. And that was kind of a an interesting experience. I really like that.


Justin (12:26.345)

200. Yep.


Justin (12:43.293)

Yeah, I think it was fun for us because it helps solidify kind of the real business aspect. When you start a business, it's sort of like in your head until it goes out in public, right? Once you start getting people signed up and people buying things from you, then you're like, wow, this is like a real business. And for me, that was just really fun. It was also sort of...


kind of validation, talking to a lot of people saying, yeah, this is like a really great idea. Now, obviously, people saying that and people buying whatever you have to sell, two very different things, but it was a big event for us. And I think it did move us forward, at least in maturity, business-wise, right? But another kind of highlight was when we sort of upgraded our boxes, and we're still sort of working on this process actually,


Tanner Weyland (13:33.303)

Yeah.


Justin (13:41.001)

the inside of the boxes, but we started using these wooden boxes that were kind of custom designed. They have the Monsters.Rent logo and everything on them. Actually, if you go to our website on mobile, you can see there's like a cover image of a video that actually displays the box really well on the homepage. But those boxes are pretty sweet. And honestly, just the box itself is like cool enough that...


someone should like want to buy it, but I mean, who knows?


Tanner Weyland (14:13.798)

Yeah, exactly. That was, it's kind of nice having a little bit more individuality, uh, to our products, cause that's what we hope to do. The priority obviously is just like, Hey, we want to make easily accessible and rentable minis, you know, that are affordable so that people don't have to, you know, buy a bunch that just sit around cause they don't want to reuse same minis all the time, but it's also nice to, you know, make a little bit more of an individual product that way. Uh, I've really enjoyed, uh,


beyond that, also we've just gotten some really good help, like some amazing help from a few influencers. And obviously, you know, it's more in the D&D space and the, you know, but we really like Bennett and Courtney, Bennett, you, if you don't follow him, you should, you absolutely should. He's at, he's at the Ben Chewie, C-H-E-W-Y. And Courtney, she's at the Curly.


K U R L I G I R L I cosplay. So it's the Curly Gurly Cosplay. They've both been so helpful, honestly. We really loved the videos that they put out for us and kind of having that partnership set up. And if you haven't heard of them, go check them out, because they're great.


Uh, regardless though, we're so grateful for them and everyone else who's been helpful along the way, because you know, we've, we've worked with quite a few people, some people haven't been able to keep working with us, uh, like just because of time constraints or, or other things, and we're just so grateful for anyone who's, you know, put any time into this and, and also to any of you who, you know, gave us a shot. And so we were truly appreciative for that.


Justin (16:02.737)

Absolutely. Uh, probably the biggest thank you that we can give from a monsters.rent is to the current users of it, uh, the people who are sticking with us regardless of, you know, how many technical hiccups we have or, or how, uh, non user friendly the website may or may not be at any given moment because, you know, it's always in flux, um, and actually, you know, Bennett going back to that.


Uh, the video, he made us a video and you can see that video on the homepage right now, if you, if you go there, uh, it's a pretty sweet video, uh, really well done, so definitely go to at the Ben Chewie on Instagram, tick talk and you know, give them a follow, but I think another cool thing that really for us has been just kind of a treat has been the ability to accumulate or have the ability to produce something like over a hundred


different minis, including 12 bundles of different themed minis. And seeing the different files and things has been really fun and nice. We actually signed up for the commercial license of someone on my mini factory. Right. And that's allowed us to kind of accumulate these minis and they're really well done. But I think moving forward, we have hopefully, you know, some other plans. We'll tell you that in a second.


But anything else you want to talk about in terms of 2023?


Tanner Weyland (17:30.606)

Uh, mostly I, one thing that we forgot to mention with the podcast was just sponsorships really, because we've been, you know, one nice thing is we, we like putting out the podcast, uh, up till now though, we like, with a couple exceptions, it hasn't really made us money, you know, which we're happy to still do it, but it's nice that the sponsorships allow it to be more of a long-term thing.


And like for example, Magic Mind. Honestly, we've been working with them recently and they've been so helpful and supportive and we just really appreciate that.


Justin (18:10.909)

Yeah. Uh, when they first reached out, um, and this is sort of a little bit behind the scenes, like how the sausage is made kind of deal. Obviously the podcast costs money every month for the hosting and things like that. It costs us time. And, you know, we really love it. And. We, if we do the podcast, we can't do other things that might provide for us financially, you know, for our families and things like that. Tanner has a wife and a dog. I have a wife and a dog and a baby.


So we can't do this all day every day just because we have jobs. When Magic Mind reached out and they're like, yeah, we'd like to partner with you. Honestly, it sounded a little bit too good to be true. So I was like, is this real? Just because I've had people, on Instagram you always get those people are like, yeah, you're woman of the year. And I'm like, I'm a man. So they were like, yeah, we'd like to work with you guys. And


through the whole process, they've just been so nice. And to me, it shows me really what's behind their product, which is Magic Mind, it's a productivity shot, but it shows kind of the culture of their company. With our first sort of promotion, it was kind of a little creative, I was a little nervous of how they'd receive it, and we sent it over, and our contact over there was just like, yeah, this is so great, she was just so praising of us, that to me, again, it just showed


if they are that excited and that emotional and energetic about, you know, the promotion, then that's obviously what's behind the productivity shot, Magic Mind, which is, you know, a subscription for it's supposed to replace your coffee or your...

Transcript
Speaker:

Welcome back to How to be a Better DM, the

official podcast of Monsters.Rent.

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I'm your host today, Justin Lewis, here

with Tanner Wayland, my brother in arms,

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my compadre, my colega.

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How's it going?

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Such a good man.

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I'm so many things.

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I'm excited.

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Well, you are everything, but you're also

Tanner.

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And that's exactly what we need.

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I'm being a little nostalgic today because

s the last podcast episode of:

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Now I never thought we would get to 2023,

right?

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Because you never see yourself moving

forward in time.

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But I think today it would be ad propo,

whatever that means, to take a look back.

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at 2023 and also take a look forward into

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see what the future holds for us.

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What do you think, Tanner?

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I'm down for that.

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Yeah, let's, oh, go ahead, sorry.

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I was gonna say, let's start with 2023.

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And Tanner, if you want to kick us off.

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I mean, yeah, just to on a personal note,

it's been, it's been a busy year.

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One things have gotten busier with the

podcast as we'll talk about, but also, uh,

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I mean, just personally got a dog.

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We got a house, uh, a house at the start

of the year, dog halfway through the year,

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good old banjo.

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He's a, he's a cutie.

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He probably just heard me bless his heart.

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Um, but yeah, it's been a great Christmas

season.

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Uh, Kirstie and I are doing well.

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Uh, otherwise, you know, just.

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Things are busy, but we're keeping up over

here.

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How about you, Justin?

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Yes, things are also busy for us.

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We had a baby.

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That's probably the biggest thing that

happened to us personally this year, back

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in August, my wife and I had a baby.

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Funny story, for nine months, we thought

the baby was gonna be a girl.

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The ultrasounds told us it was gonna be a

girl.

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And then the baby came out as a boy.

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So check your ultrasounds, people.

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You don't wanna surprise like that.

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But having a baby has been very rewarding,

very tiring.

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both those things.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, I believe that that's, that's

the thing about kids.

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You get a lot from them, but, uh, they

request everything from you.

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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Well, specifically talking about the

podcast, we've had actually a really good

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year.

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It's been fun seeing the podcast grow.

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And one of my favorite things this year

has been just in November, we had our

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highest download month.

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We had 5,000 downloads in the month, over

5,000 downloads, which is not a small

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thing, right?

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I think...

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Most podcasts never get past 10 episodes,

right?

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Just that's how it is statistically.

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And you're in the top 50% of podcasts if

you get more than 100 listens on any

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episode within the first seven days, and

we get around 200.

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So we're probably in the top 70% of

podcasts maybe.

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Obviously it is kind of an exponential

curve, but it's really cool to see the

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growth we're having.

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And more than that, I think is

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you know, having people reach out and

being like, yeah, you guys are helping us,

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you know, DM better or helping me.

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I just like listening to you guys.

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And it's just, it's fun to think, you

know, we did something that people like,

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which in this day and age is pretty,

pretty rare.

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Yeah, you know, I think that it's a great

thing just seeing that, you know, I don't

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think of us as any kind of exceptional

people.

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Like, obviously, we have a lot of advice

on being DMs, but it's nice to know that

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it's like, hey, if we and, you know, the

guests we bring on, just share some of our

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thoughts, you know, think a little deeper

about the individual parts of being a DM,

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then you can do really good work.

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It's kind of like a journaling in your

personal life where it's like, yeah.

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If you just spend a little bit more

thought deconstruct things a little bit,

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uh, regurgitate it in a good way, then

essentially you, you learn, there's a lot

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to learn from just a simple review of

things.

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Right.

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And so that's, that's been kind of an

interesting thing.

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And I've loved knowing that we're, we're

helping people that way.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, even though we talk a lot about

DMing, I would in no way, shape or form

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claim us to be the world's best DMs.

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Well, I can't speak for Tanner, but

myself, I DMed just last night, and

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afterwards I was like, man, I need to get

way better.

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But I'm sure that that's how a lot of

people feel.

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And honestly, that's why how to be a

better DM exists, because we want you to

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not feel that way instead.

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Finish the session being like, wow, that

was so great.

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I'm just so happy.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And you know, we try and change it up with

the with the topics if you know, in the

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future, if you guys ever are like, hey, we

want specific topics or types of content,

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like, we've considered, you know,

reviewing

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other people's games, you know, as they DM

we considered a lot of different types of

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things.

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We always try and get on guests who we

think would be valuable.

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But if any of you have any ideas, we of

course welcome that.

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Yeah, actually, you can go on Instagram,

look up at howtobetterdm or at

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monsters.rent, send us a message,

suggestions, or even content that we

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missed in an episode.

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You know, if you think that a particular

episode needs to be fleshed out a little

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bit more, definitely let us know.

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Or if, like Tanner said, you want us to

basically, you know, commentate on your

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session, you just have to record your

session and send it to us.

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But...

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Really over this last year, like Tanner

mentioned, we had some pretty great

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guests.

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I think one of my favorites was Victor

Bovine.

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And that's mostly just because, you know,

I kind of cut my teeth on the Forgotten

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Realms by listening to the Drizzt o'Urden

series by R.A.

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Salvatore.

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And Victor Bovine was the voice actor,

right?

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And so, you know, his voice for me is

Drizzt o'Urden.

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And it was really cool to, you know, to

listen to him.

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It was also fun, you know, hanging out

with Andy from WeGeek together.

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And,

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having like that live podcast feel, which

is kind of rare for us just because our

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guests are mostly not in the same locale.

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Though I do think, you know, moving into

the next year, I think it would be cool to

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have more and more in-person guests if we

can get them.

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Yeah, agreed.

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Like Andrew, he was great.

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Cause I mean, you should have seen all the

technical issues we had going into that.

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Cause we, we weren't onsite, you know, we,

we didn't do it at either of our places or

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at a studio, we went to we geek together,

you know, his store set up there, just so

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many technical issues getting it set up.

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And then once it was finally done, it was

just cool to actually have a chill

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conversation and we even thought that we

had lost like the, the recording and we

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found it.

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And so like that one.

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I think I'm nostalgic for it from like a

trauma standpoint because it was like both

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you had the bitter and the sweet you know

but that one was memorable for me

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Agreed, agreed.

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Also, we want to say thank you to everyone

who participated with us in the one-shots

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of last year.

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We know that they weren't as periodic.

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They didn't happen every month.

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But we were grateful to you for joining us

and having fun with us, even amidst the

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technical difficulties of the one-shots.

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I know the last one that I did, very

technically difficult.

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And hopefully in the next year we can have

more one-shots and more people join.

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Even if there are opportunities for live

one-shots in person, if there's a group of

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listeners here in the Utah region, we can

get together and do a one-shot that way.

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That would be fun, I think.

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But again, just wanted to say thank you

for everyone who participated and also for

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all the guest DMs we've had over the last

couple of years.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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learning experience.

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was the guild.

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just for your information, the guild is

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basically a free community that the goal

is to connect people.

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who are like-minded in the same space, but

also give them resources and things like

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that, right?

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Mastering course, and we have some

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downloadable resources available online

through the guild, again, all free.

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has been, one, seeing people slowly kind

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adds so much to everyone who's already

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hopefully to themselves, but also seeing

the collaboration between the people

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within the guild, seeing people talk about

homebrew monsters that they're working on

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or puzzles that they found.

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and see you guys, because if we could

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bottle up all of your knowledge and

experience, I think that would be way more

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informational and helpful than what we can

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to be kind of on the receiving end of

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growing slowly because we haven't been

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doing it that long.

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you know, like, like you each new person

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It's also growing slowly, I'd say, because

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no idea how to do Discord, right?

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per se, so it's kind of a stretch for me

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being like, yeah, welcome, let's talk

about these things.

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you are a part of that.

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the voices and everything.

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made me busiest this year is, I mean,

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Monsters.Rent.

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You guys have heard us talk about that,

you know, for a hot second now.

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Yeah, it's just been kind of an eye

opening experience where it's like, yeah,

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there's a lot more to a, uh, miniature

rental business than you'd think.

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of ups, some downs, but, um, you know, I

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think for me, like, uh, a big up was just,

you know, at the start, there's always a

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question when you're starting kind of like

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of like, okay, how much do we throw

ourselves into it at the start?

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we can swim?

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that with the dead wars that we geeked

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like, what it was like 200 minis for that.

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the show, we had a booth, you know, we got

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a sign printed, you know, we kind of put

our best foot forward.

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I really like that.

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helps solidify kind of the real business

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aspect.

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When you start a business, it's sort of

like in your head until it goes out in

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public, right?

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and people buying things from you, then

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you're like, wow, this is like a real

business.

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kind of validation, talking to a lot of

people saying, yeah, this is like a really

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great idea.

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people buying whatever you have to sell,

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two very different things, but it was a

big event for us.

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least in maturity, business-wise, right?

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sort of upgraded our boxes, and we're

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still sort of working on this process

actually,

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the inside of the boxes, but we started

using these wooden boxes that were kind of

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custom designed.

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everything on them.

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mobile, you can see there's like a cover

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image of a video that actually displays

the box really well on the homepage.

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cool enough that...

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someone should like want to buy it, but I

mean, who knows?

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That was, it's kind of nice having a

little bit more individuality, uh, to our

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products, cause that's what we hope to do.

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The priority obviously is just like, Hey,

we want to make easily accessible and

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rentable minis, you know, that are

affordable so that people don't have to,

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you know, buy a bunch that just sit around

cause they don't want to reuse same minis

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all the time, but it's also nice to, you

know, make a little bit more of an

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beyond that, also we've just gotten some

really good help, like some amazing help

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from a few influencers.

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D&D space and the, you know, but we really

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like Bennett and Courtney, Bennett, you,

if you don't follow him, you should, you

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absolutely should.

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He's at, he's at the Ben Chewie,

C-H-E-W-Y.

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K U R L I G I R L I cosplay.

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We really loved the videos that they put

out for us and kind of having that

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partnership set up.

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And if you haven't heard of them, go check

them out, because they're great.

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Uh, regardless though, we're so grateful

for them and everyone else who's been

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helpful along the way, because you know,

we've, we've worked with quite a few

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people, some people haven't been able to

keep working with us, uh, like just

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because of time constraints or, or other

things, and we're just so grateful for

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anyone who's, you know, put any time into

this and, and also to any of you who, you

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know, gave us a shot.

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that.

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can give from a monsters.rent is to the

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current users of it, uh, the people who

are sticking with us regardless of, you

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know, how many technical hiccups we have

or, or how, uh, non user friendly the

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website may or may not be at any given

moment because, you know, it's always in

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flux, um, and actually, you know, Bennett

going back to that.

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can see that video on the homepage right

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now, if you, if you go there, uh, it's a

pretty sweet video, uh, really well done,

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so definitely go to at the Ben Chewie on

Instagram, tick talk and you know, give

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them a follow, but I think another cool

thing that really for us has been just

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kind of a treat has been the ability to

accumulate or have the ability to produce

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different minis, including 12 bundles of

different themed minis.

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has been really fun and nice.

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We actually signed up for the commercial

license of someone on my mini factory.

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accumulate these minis and they're really

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well done.

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But I think moving forward, we have

hopefully, you know, some other plans.

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We'll tell you that in a second.

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in terms of:

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mention with the podcast was just

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sponsorships really, because we've been,

you know, one nice thing is we, we like

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putting out the podcast, uh, up till now

though, we like, with a couple exceptions,

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it hasn't really made us money, you know,

which we're happy to still do it, but it's

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nice that the sponsorships allow it to be

more of a long-term thing.

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Honestly, we've been working with them

recently and they've been so helpful and

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supportive and we just really appreciate

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Uh, when they first reached out, um, and

this is sort of a little bit behind the

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scenes, like how the sausage is made kind

of deal.

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Obviously the podcast costs money every

month for the hosting and things like

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We, if we do the podcast, we can't do

other things that might provide for us

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financially, you know, for our families

and things like that.

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Tanner has a wife and a dog.

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I have a wife and a dog and a baby.

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So we can't do this all day every day just

because we have jobs.

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When Magic Mind reached out and they're

like, yeah, we'd like to partner with you.

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Honestly, it sounded a little bit too good

to be true.

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So I was like, is this real?

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Just because I've had people, on Instagram

you always get those people are like,

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yeah, you're woman of the year.

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So they were like, yeah, we'd like to work

with you guys.

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through the whole process, they've just

been so nice.

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And to me, it shows me really what's

behind their product, which is Magic Mind,

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it's a productivity shot, but it shows

kind of the culture of their company.

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With our first sort of promotion, it was

kind of a little creative, I was a little

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nervous of how they'd receive it, and we

sent it over, and our contact over there

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was just like, yeah, this is so great, she

was just so praising of us, that to me,

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again, it just showed

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if they are that excited and that

emotional and energetic about, you know,

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the promotion, then that's obviously

what's behind the productivity shot, Magic

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Mind, which is, you know, a subscription

for it's supposed to replace your coffee

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or your tea in the morning, whatever you

use to kind of get your energy.

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And it has lots of, I actually have the

list up, lots of really great nutrients in

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things that honestly I don't completely

understand because frankly I'm kind of not

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intelligent, but there's matcha, there's

bacopa manieri, which sounds really cool

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and it also sounds kind of like a spell.

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There's ashwagandha, rhodiola rosea, which

again sounds like a spell, lion's mane

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mushroom, cordyceps mushroom.

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So lots of things that

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right here?

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It says Vita men.

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Huh, crazy.

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I didn't, I don't, like, Vita means life,

so maybe it's like living men or

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something?

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I don't know, I don't know.

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But, yeah, but, you know, when I took it,

it was a very interesting experience,

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because I'm honestly, I don't drink

coffee, I don't drink tea, so I've never

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really relied on sort of energy drinks, I

don't drink energy drinks.

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throughout the day, I felt the difference.

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And what it is, it's supposed to help you

with your focus without the crash, right?

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We all know the haste spell.

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Once it's done, you know, you're stunned

for like one or two rounds with the haste

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spell.

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You don't get that with the productivity

shot Magic Mind.

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And actually, they're doing a small

campaign for the month of January.

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So I know this is the Thursday before

January, but we're giving you a little

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heads up.

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You can go to magicmind.com slash

JanBetterDM.

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again, magicmind.com slash janbetterdm,

and then use the code BETTERDM20, and you

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get one month free when you subscribe for

three months.

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And that's a really awesome offer because

it's an extra 20% off, which gets you to

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75% off because they're kind of running a

deal right now.

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But again, it only lasts for January.

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So if you are interested in this,

subscribe for three months, you get one

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month free.

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So essentially you're getting

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you're subscribing for two months, but an

extra month, right?

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Math.

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Magicmind.com slash Jan BetterDM with code

betterdm20 at checkout, or you can find

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these at any sprouts, farmers, markets

near you.

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And moving into 24, our goal is to get

more subscriptions, sorry, more

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sponsorships like Magicmind and continue

our sponsorship with Magicmind.

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So that's definitely big on our.

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Yeah, because we just want to be able to

keep doing this podcast for you guys.

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And, uh, let's talk about 2024 Justin.

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Uh, first off for the podcast, I mean,

honestly, we really want to, uh, have more

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creative episode, like ideas, you know,

just like where, like we kind of rethink

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the concept of instead of just like

picking a topic, uh, from D and D.

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a little bit more interesting, like maybe

it's themed or it's a comparison list or

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you know, there's a lot of different

things that we need to do.

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We're definitely going to get more guests.

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I mean, that you know that we were always

trying to get new guests.

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thinking about with as far as like the

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actually with regards to guests, I've been

thinking, I've been watching a lot of

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YouTube videos of, you know, from like

insider or the breakdown where, you know,

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they take an expert and then they have the

expert sort of rate or review movie clips

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that involve their expertise and sort of

tell you, yeah, this part isn't realistic

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or this is realistic.

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For example, you know, a wildlife expert

watches movies with like...

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lions or they watch part of free willy and

they're like, yeah, this is this is why

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that is and stuff like that.

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I thought that it might be useful and

interesting to have sort of the same thing

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but as it regards to D&D so maybe we might

have someone who is a blacksmith and we

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have them come on and we ask them.

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something, how long would it take, you

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know, ask some real questions that would

sort of inform how you roleplay a

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blacksmith or

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there is a armored combat team.

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Literally it's a martial arts, mixed

martial arts sport where people dress up

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in full suits of armor and they like punch

each other and kick each other and hit

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each other with kind of dulled swords.

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come in and kind of walk us through like,

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yeah, if someone was putting on armor, you

know, da da, or if you're describing

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combat, what are some ways that

realistically this could kind of play out?

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interesting.

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than just having everyday guests.

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I also thought it would be good and useful

for us to try and start to reach out to

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some more high profile guests.

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You never know if you might get them, but

if we do get them, that would be just so

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much more fun.

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You know, I think something to be said for

the profession, style of guest is that you

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know, as a DM, there's a lot of

performance, like especially description

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that we have to do.

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you know, then the for example,

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pickpocketing, how many of us actually

know how that works?

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or leatherworking or blacksmithing, right?

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We've seen like little images or little

clips on, you know, maybe a knight's tale

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is the most we've ever seen of anything

relating to blacksmithing.

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And all we're like is like, oh man Heath

Ledger is really cool.

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blacksmithing.

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situation when our party goes into the

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local blacksmith dwarf.

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looking for a whole new set of armor,

right?

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Obviously, you know, email us or reach out

at Monsters Rent on Instagram.

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Let us know if you think this is a good

idea.

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We think it is, but we're very excited for

that.

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more.

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It's obviously, like we said, it's kind of

been a crazy busy year.

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either one shots or just, you know.

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to have more opportunity for that and at

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the very least we have planned to You know

have a live play campaign in this next

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couple months So we're pretty stoked about

that and we don't have all the info for

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you, but You know we It's going to take

place in Well, it's gonna start in hell,

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which is which is nice.

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You know, that's always a nice opener

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Palette Cleanser for a campaign.

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Um, but anyway, I've been talking too

much.

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Just, are you excited for the new live

play?

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Oh my gosh, I can't tell you how excited I

am.

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So it's gonna be myself, Tanner, and

Kayden, our partner from Monsters.Rent as

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the players, and the Dungeon Master is

going to be Jake Packham from the Dungeon

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Mastermind podcast.

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He's a friend of ours, and frankly he's a

really talented DM, right?

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I've played with him once or twice before,

and he's just, I don't know, he's really

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good.

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So I'm super excited and like Tanner said,

basically the story, the campaign's gonna

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start up with all of us, Tanner, Caden and

myself, all of our characters, having been

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sent to the nine hells as some sort of

punishment or some other means and we're

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basically starting in hell with nothing.

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So if you wanna see other people suffer,

definitely tune in, we'll let you know

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when it's going to be released and

actually,

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If you want to kind of get the scoop, the

latest information on when it's going to

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be released, sign up for the guild because

that's where we're going to do a lot of

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our announcements.

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All you got to do is go to monsters.rent

slash subscribe slash the guild or sorry

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slash the dash guild.

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Again, it is 100% free and then you get

access to our, you know, our Discord

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server and everything and you become part

of the community.

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But going to be super fun.

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It's going to be set in the homebrew world

of Kalignos.

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which is something Jake has been working

on.

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guests on the podcast, I just thought of

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this.

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I think it even goes beyond just

blacksmithing, things like that, but like

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we could have experts on marshes or forest

life or caves, places where adventurers

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would go to kind of help inform what kind

of conditions are gonna be there, how

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would you travel, things like that.

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As far as more creative episodes go, if

you want an example of this, next week's

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episode is a little bit more creative.

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It's going to be talking about the

Shadowfell in a very interesting way,

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hopefully.

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Hopefully it's not off-putting, but join

us next week for that episode for more of

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a creative show.

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And as far as the one-shots go, not just

playing more one-shots, but having less

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technical difficulties and also

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possibly opening up the opportunity to,

you know, you the listener to host the one

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shot as the DM.

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You know, we don't always have to be the

hosts.

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So if you're interested in that,

definitely reach out to us.

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But speaking of the guild, this next year,

I think the guild is gonna be sort of a

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big focus for us because it's not just the

community, but it's also the downloadable

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resources and also the Dungeon Mastering

course.

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And I think this next year, a focus of

ours should be to finish that course

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because, you know, we all want to become

better DMS and if we have resources like

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that available, it just makes it so much

easier.

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And, and I think, you know, we, we just

hope to see a lot more of you in there so

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that when we have questions or when, uh,

our fellow DMS have questions, that

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there's going to be just a readily

available source.

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Um, but, uh, yeah, it was so basically a

lot happening with the podcast.

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I'm very excited about that.

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Um, the main thing that, uh, that we have

a lot of.

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you know, of hope for, we're, you know,

we're crossing our fingers.

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We'll be able to get it all done, but

monsters.rent.

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We have a lot of plans for that.

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Uh, beyond like, we're planning on being

involved with the dead wars again this

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next year.

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Which of course will be awesome,

especially since we'll be, you know, we

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won't be on our back foot as much this

year, we'll have a bit more time to

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prepare, which we're excited for.

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And then, you know, we're also hoping to

get a booth at FanX.

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If you're not from Utah, maybe you don't

know what this is, but it's a really big

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comic con esque, you know event Where

there's you know celebrities a lot of

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gaming?

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D&D like just a lot going on there and

it's for fans of pretty much any genre but

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certainly the fantasy D&D genre and Yeah,

we're hoping to get a booth there and

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we'll have more info for you going forward

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Yeah, I've actually already reached out to

them to see if we could host a panel

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talking about being a dungeon master.

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I might have to follow up with them.

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But I think another focus of ours for

Monsters.Rent is creating the ability on

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the website to sell the minis just

straight up.

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Early on in Monsters.Rent, we had some

confusion with people who signed up for

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subscriptions to rent the minis.

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And then they reached out to us and

they're like, hey, why am I being charged?

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I bought these minis.

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And so we're thinking that it might be a

good idea, or at least, you know, I, I

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definitely, I think that we should put

forth this opportunity for people to just

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buy the minis, uh, it would provide

obviously some cash for us and a simple,

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simplified product model.

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Uh, and also it might tell us which people

want more, whether they want to rent more

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or just buy more.

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Um, and.

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you know, if both options are available, I

don't see why that would be a bad thing.

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I think another thing we're also going to

look to do is more merch, you know,

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t-shirts and t-shirt designs.

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I think we talked about in the past,

creating specific designs around each

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class, including a DM shirt.

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When we were at Dead Wars last year, we

were selling shirts that were specific to

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the event.

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It said World Record Beholder, kind of a

play on words there.

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And that sold really well.

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And I think having things like that for

people to buy would be a good idea for us

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as well, because again, it would kind of

be an influx of cash, pretty hands off.

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And, you know, we're pretty clever guys,

so I think we can come up with pretty fun

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t-shirt ideas.

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Exactly.

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And so, yeah, we're hoping just to, you

know, get a lot more things that we've

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been talking about for a sec rolling on

that with monsters.rent.

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One thing specifically that if any of you

have any suggestions, like Justin said, we

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were always looking for feedback.

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We're also always looking for

collaborators and whether that's

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right whether that's you know graphic

designers or 3d modelers or whatever right

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we're always looking to partner with those

people and give them a chance to make

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money while we do as well and also just

improve the product in general so yeah it

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definitely reach out I guess you know it's

easy to say that or see that we've got a

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lot planned a lot on our plate

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And we're really hoping that you'll be

with us on this journey and we're so

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excited.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, obviously we have a lot going on

this year.

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We're going to work on the website, make

sure that it's very user-friendly.

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We're going to take better photos of the

minis and things like that, collaborate

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with more influencers.

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I think the biggest thing we're going to

focus on, so our core values here are, and

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Intentor, you might have to help me with

this, but number one, community, and

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number two, wow, right?

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We want...

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every interaction anyone has with

monster.rent, how to be better DM the

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guild, just to be blown away by their

experience.

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And we want to build the community, our

community, the D&D community at large, and

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obviously the world.

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So with those two core values, our biggest

focus will be, you know, you, the

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listener, who may or may not be also our

customer or user.

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We want you to be the best dungeon master

the world has ever seen.

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Because statistically speaking,

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someone out there is that Dungeon Master

and why couldn't it be you?

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So our goal is to help you reach your full

potential.

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Gotta catch them all.

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Um, we're, we're a Pokemon podcast now.

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Uh, yeah, that's, sorry, D and D got a new

catchphrase.

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Uh, we're just, we're just honestly want

to give you the most value, uh, that you

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can get because, you know, being a DM

while it's so rewarding, it's also takes a

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lot.

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And there's always room for improvement.

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And so we, we always hope that you're not.

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depressed by that or overwhelmed, but

rather that you feel empowered by, you

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know, by the podcast we offer, you know,

the minis or anything else, like the

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community with the guild.

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We just want you to feel like, like you

and any friends that you have who are kind

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of like, oh man, DM, DMing kind of takes

it out of me.

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It shouldn't feel that way, right?

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It's supposed to be fun first and

foremost, and it's supposed to be

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something that doesn't stress you out.

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And, and I think we've done well at like

trying to help change the mindset about

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that is like, Hey, it's not all about

knowing all the stat blocks from, from

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heart and it's not all about, uh, about

having like spent a hundred hours of prep

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for each session.

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It's more about like, Hey, how do you

approach different aspects of the game?

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Um, in a more natural fluid and less

stressful way.

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So.

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We hope to be able to do that a lot more

going forward.

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Yeah.

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A big thank you to you, all your support.

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If you weren't listening, this would be a

lot less fun.

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We'd probably still do it, but I don't

know how long we would do it.

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So thank you for keeping us going just by

being here, listening to us and maybe

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laughing at one or two of my jokes.

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You know, here's to a very good 2023 and

hopefully for all of us and even better

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2024.

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We'll see you next week.

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In the new year, let's go ahead and roll

initiative.

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About your hosts

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Tanner Weyland

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Justin Lewis

Justin has been playing D&D for about 5 years and has been DMing for the last 2. He is a student of the game and genuinely loves the art of storytelling. In his day-job he performs SEO at an agency called NPDigital, but at night, he furthers the hobby of cooperative storytelling that is Dungeons and Dragons.