Wizards of the Coast's OGL 1.1 (Or at Least Our Thoughts On What We Think We Know So Far)

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hello my name is tanner wayland and i'm here with my co host and good

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friend justin justin how are you doing

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good how are you

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doing well for you those of you who don't know who we are you know

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we are the hosts of a little podcast we like to call how to be

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a better d m and in this podcast we explore how each of us can

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provide the best world's adventures

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oh

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and play environment for our players today it's a little bit of a different topic

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it's one that i'm not sure if everybody is as tapped into this as we

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are but i feel like i've seen everybody talk about it

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yeah

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it's about the it's about d and d and specifically the ah new o g

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l one point one that got leaked um we're going to talk about how that

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you know effects us as as d ms you know because that's you know if

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we were just doing any old podcast i don't think it would matter as much

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but you know d ms are

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oh

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by by their nature creative and when you create things oftentimes you want to see

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how you can you know share it with people and sometimes you know you worry

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about things go am i allowed to share this or

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ye

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create or rip off of it or or make money and that's that we're going

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to talk about all of that first off justin what's what's new with you

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what's new with me

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well well we have so a lot of you don't know in utah which is

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where i live me and a couple of friends we are putting on an event

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next in two weeks two saturdays kind of a business networking event and you know

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that's kind of moving forward the idea is we're going to use d and d

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to business network so get people together playing d and and then you know help

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them build relationships and connections and so forth and actually cut this out tanner but

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you said you wanted to you were you were up for being a dem for

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that was that right

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so what time is it i

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uh

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know it's that saturday

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yes it's it's the twenty eighth and it's starting at ten a m

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ye and a m you say

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okay that could actually

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if not

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be possible

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no worries

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how long do you expect it to last

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four to five hours

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four to five hours oh man you know what when do you think you'll be

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doing the next one of these probably

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uh

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like

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sometime

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in a year

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in february

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or half a year or something february

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m

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okay so you're planning on doing this regularly then

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exactly

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uh yeah probably for this one i'm going to have to sit out just because

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totally

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i'm leaving on a trip the next morning like

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oh

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early and i won't be able to help with anything else ay saturday is probably

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going to be packed for me just getting ready for that and doing all the

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stuff i need to

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sounds that sounds fine

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yep

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cool

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but i'd love to help with the next one

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awesome um let me just be real quick also i'm gonna turn off my camera

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because i think there's a little bit of latency so hopefully

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that's

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that

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fine

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should fix it

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i'll try

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anyways

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to

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anyways uh yeah so we're having this awesome event if you're in the utah area

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i'll put the link in the show notes if you want to come we still

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have some tickets available but other than that i don't know that too much is

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really new just enjoying the new year and and trying out new things here and

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there not not big things but just you know little things what about

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i mean that sounded pretty big to

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uh

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me i've never run a pseudo

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yeah

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business sutouknowgaming

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oh

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meeting gash

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yeah

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i

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m

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mean for me my wife kirsty and i we moved into new town home

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yeah

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that

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yeah

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happened basically new year's eve

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oh

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and since then you know it feels like it's been weve years

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yah

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but uh

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but we're doing well

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m

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you know we're just slowly putting

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m

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getting furniture

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m

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putting it together

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h

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cleaning

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the house throwing all of our dirt secrets and boxes into the unused bedroom

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yeah

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and and you know pretending like

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yeah

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our lives are in order but yeah honestly it's been great it's been really nice

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it's just been busy

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yeah

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otherwise very excited i've got an actual office now

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yeah

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in office room

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he

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it's not just mine you know we share it but

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oh

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kirsty was telling me because i don't know i'm someone that has a hard time

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like decorating a room the ways i want because i'm like oh i feel like

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i've never had a space that's just mine to decorate you know

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yeah

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and and so like i see this room and she's like oh you could put

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some stuff and she you know emphasized some

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uh

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because she because

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ah

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she

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yah

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was like you can't

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wreck the office and turn it into some weird nor castle

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but

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was like

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it should be because that's what is awesome

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i mean that's what i said

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yeah

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and then suddenly i'm on the couch and i'm just getting

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classic

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that never happened but

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oh

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but honestly i'm excited to decorate a little

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yeah

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bit maybe who

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my

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knows put a little neon sign on the

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yeah

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wall could you imagine

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twould be amazing

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anyway yeah

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oh

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so i'm excited with that but

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awesome

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yeah i mean i think that it's a great month

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yeah

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and it's going to be a great

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oh

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year it's already been a very exciting start

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heck ya

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the year well perfect justin let's

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yeah

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let's launch in so the topic

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ah

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the o g l one point one and if anybody is wondering what the o

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g stands for you know that's

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oh

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just the open game license basically back in two thousand

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yeah

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the original open game license it basically just made it so that creators could develop

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their own content inspired by the world of d and d and specifically that wizards

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of the coast the kind of company that created and sells d and that kind

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of allows a lot of freedom

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for creators whereas this new

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oh

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o g l one point one is really raining

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m

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that in

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yeah

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ye

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oh

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and people aren't happy about it

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yeah uh honestly to put it in perspective so if you are in the dungeon

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master space on instagram or any of the social media you've probably seen thousands of

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mimes about the oil and they are all very funny and i would highly recommend

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hm

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it as a very great way to spend your day um but the idea behind

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the is or at least this whole corfuffl is all about intellectual property and the

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idea that ideas can belong to someone so you know this podcast

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hm

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is the intellectual property of me and tanner and as right now we don't have

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any sort of open game license like d and d did in two thousand we

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don't have anything like that so if you copied this show or took the show

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and kind of made your own version of it um you know we'd probably come

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after you not that we have that many resources but the point is the question

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behind this is is it legal for d n d to do this is it

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moral and do we like it i think those are all kind of the underlying

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questions right

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yeah absolutely and you know i think i think something to put this in perspective

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is just kind of starting point because that's that's something

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m

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to keep in mind about

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m

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this reaction because if somebody just just to give you some a little bit of

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gritty about what's you know

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m

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in the new

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yeah

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o g l that got leaked let's just

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yeah

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say that it's leaked not

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hm

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official um and you can bet that after the uproar that have and that it's

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not going to remain as it was

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at least you help right

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at least you'd hope right

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oh

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they put out some like a response that seems like they you know quite quite

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learned

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uh

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somewhat of a lesson we'll see i mean they they still are focusing on their

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bottom line and that you know still means them wanting more control

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hm

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but but with the l one of the big differences is like oh if you're

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a creator over who makes over seven hundred thousand dollars a year then you know

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you have pay royalty basically right

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hm

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and except for of course some of their favored creators you know i'm sure

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right

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matt mercer you know to mention twenty things

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oh

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like things like that they're going to be fine but like as everybody knows this

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is it's kind of booming creative business space for a d n d and for

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tabletop role playing games in general so like there might be more people who make

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more than seven hundred thousand off of d and d products

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hm

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um and so getting back to my point about starting point right like disney if

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you made like twenty bucks or a hundred bucks off of selling and creating disney

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stuff you know they might come after you if you're

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m

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doing it in a very like high visibility manner

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h

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right now

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m yeah

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probably not actually like twenty hundred bucks but like much less than seven hundred thousand

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they'd come at you

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hm

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if you're going and selling like micky stuff

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yeah

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as if you

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yeah

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were disney even though you're not now

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m

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the o g l is so and if you were disney and they were like

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hey you can sell disney branded stuff and like and disney things that and even

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like movies and video games based of disney stuff and you know you don't have

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to pay royalties until you make seven hundred thousand no one would care

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m

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well sorry like no one would care that it's like oh my goodness they're giving

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us royalties because they'd be like oh my goodness that's actually a lot more than

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i expected out

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uh

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of disney right

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yeah

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um

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yeah

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and that this isn't my example this is an example there's this outuber called legal

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eagle i thought it was a great example um because on the other side we

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have d n d with the o g l which was like hey if you

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want to go for it just go like go crazy you know with some limitations

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it wasn't like they were you know completely free like they

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hm

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had some trade marked monsters

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oh

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and things like that but but in the uh probably not trade marked more like

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copyrighted

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uh but

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m

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in the end because people had so much freedom that's part of the reason why

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dungeons and dragons

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yeah

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begot became so popular but

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yeah

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it's also why people are like what the heck because it's you know it feels

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like night and day

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yeah

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you know but it's going from day a little closer

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oh

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to night so to speak as the other metaphorical example like or fictional example of

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disney that would have been like going from night to day because they're like lightening

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up on restrictions you know

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yeah yeah

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where this kind of clamping down sorry that was a lot of thoughts but that's

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kind of

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no

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i thought i've been having

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i love it i love it so kind of a simple summary for kind of

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the time line of how things have gone down at least from my point of

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view and why i think this is happening so two thousand there's the o g

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l basically d and d says hey you know community we can make this better

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everyone together you guys can take it and run with it like he said and

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then tes of the coast came out with i believe it was four point five

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which was terrible fourth edition or something like that and so it was so bad

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that a company called piso started coming up with their own version of dandy was

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it was extremely similar but different in important ways called pathfinder i'm pretty sure you've

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probably head of that and

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hm

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then pathfinder started growing and then five came out and you know five started getting

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much more popular so from what i understand is has bro who owns wizard of

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the coast looked at the bottom line of wizards costan said hey your d and

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d property your dungeon dragon's property is not making as much money as it could

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so let's rain in the competitors that we've ourselves read it in a sense and

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make it so we

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hm

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make money from them and we also own their gaming system essentially because it's based

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on ours kind of going back to those questions that i ask is it legal

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is it moral do we like it so one is it legal hundred percent so

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this is essentially brandon

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m

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sanderson writing a book getting wildly popular and then saying hey you can go write

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a book if it's based on my stuff right if it's based on my stuff

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that's fine someone else writes a book on that it's based on brandon sanderson stuff

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but it changes very important things and it also becomes wildly popular brandon sanderson would

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still have the right to be able to say hey i'm going to change things

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that are happening in my world that i made you know disney did this essentially

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with expanded universe star wars they bought the star wars property and then they fold

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all these books that were written in the expanded universe and said these are no

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longer cannon we can still have them but they essentially still belong to us but

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they're not the actual story right

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yeah

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and then

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yeah

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morally i think this is where i draw the line it's one thing to put

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something out and say hey this is going to cost you money right like it's

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it's one thing for brandon sanderson i guess i'm just sticking with that example to

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put out a book and say you know this is mine you have to abide

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by this copy right it's another thing entirely for brandon sanderson to put out a

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book for free and say anyone can use it change it make frances to it

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whatever for twenty years see that someone else is using his stuff and getting rich

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off of it and then saying hey we're changing what i said earlier because i

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want a piece of that pie i think that's where morally disagree with what wizards

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of the coast is doing more hasburoreally what about you tenner

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yeah yeah i agree i think that the i mean obviously there are two reasons

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why they did it in the first place

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oh

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right they wanted it to be you know

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oh

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basically to make it more ubiquitous more wide spread among

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yah

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people

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oh

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uh just to you know increase that community and i think it's it's helped them

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a lot but then raining it in and being like okay now we reap the

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profits everybody sees it for what it is

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hm

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you know

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hm

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it becomes

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m

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very transparent just to go from from very little restriction to restrictions and in as

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much as like when they released response they said that it was about like hey

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we wanted to reduce discrimina

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m

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son we want to combat people using our our properties for block chain or f

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ts or anything like that right

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hm

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or cryptoand and we were all like oh so then why is there so much

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in there that isn't about that

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uh

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you know

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yeah

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and i think that they really shot themselves in foot from from a p r

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perspective

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hm

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like you said it is probably fairly legal now there's some you know hang ups

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on like oh the original g l said that it would last you know perpetuity

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oh

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you know forever

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right

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but here's the thing in all likelihood we're never going to find out because anybody

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who has

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hm m

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enough money there already changing their system and they're

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hm

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changing the you know the i p that they're using so that they don't have

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to worry about it

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exactly

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right um like pisa they recently in the past few years like past couple they

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put out path pathfinders second edition with like the first edition was very similar to

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d and d right and specifically i think they were copying three point five

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i believe

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is

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so

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what i think they were doing and but this second edition is very different in

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terms of like not only just like the different like haters and things like that

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but also the mechanics so it's like easily distinguishable

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hm

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and and like people like that and other things and like cobalt press and things

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they're all developing their own systems because in a way that's another thing that could

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happen here and is happening is that hey

[justin]: 00:18:13

m

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if people don't want to fight that legal battle then they'll just create their own

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systems you know

[justin]: 00:18:19

hm yep

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people have had enough time

[justin]: 00:18:21

yeah

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to kind of marinate in the in the marinade that

[justin]: 00:18:26

ah

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d and d so now they can go out

[justin]: 00:18:28

ah

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and create their own thing um but if there was any illegality here it would

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take somebody fighting in court for

[justin]: 00:18:36

m

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like a lot of money and they

[justin]: 00:18:38

hm

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might not win so frankly like yeah there's nothing to really stop them from doing

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this because no one is going to actually push it in court that much

[justin]: 00:18:47

right

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you know

[justin]: 00:18:48

oh

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to the point where a judge would have to rule on it um so yeah

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i think that it's i think it from from a perspective of a business who

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created something i'm like hey you know it's in their right but from a business

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like you said who basically started out on such a different foot and then we're

[justin]: 00:19:07

m

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like rug pull

[justin]: 00:19:08

yep

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um then i think that it's it's dubious and i don't think it's going to

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turn out well for them maybe who knows maybe they monetize

[justin]: 00:19:21

oh

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a little bit more with certain people but i think they're going to lose the

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widespread appeal you know

[justin]: 00:19:27

yeah i agree and i think what's most important for us to talk about now

[justin]: 00:19:34

you

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yes

[justin]: 00:19:34

know with the few minutes we have left is really how this affects dungeon masters

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or how we believe this affects dungeon masters as a whole so for now you

[justin]: 00:19:46

and me who play without friends you know in our kitchen and just on the

[justin]: 00:19:52

kitchen table it's not really going affect us other than where our money goes into

[justin]: 00:19:56

whom um for the people who are creating things and putting it on dem gild

[justin]: 00:20:03

or things like that it may affect again how your money or who your money

[justin]: 00:20:07

goes to it also might a how expensive or how much money you can earn

[justin]: 00:20:14

um and it might also affect how much control you ultimately have you know in

[justin]: 00:20:20

the end of the day really other than that though i don't see many differences

[justin]: 00:20:26

for the people listening to this show unless you are you know a very prolific

[justin]: 00:20:32

creator you might have some big changes to make but other than that this probably

[justin]: 00:20:36

shouldn't affect you too much do you have any other opinions on that tenner oh

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i know yeah i totally agree with that

[justin]: 00:20:45

oh

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i think that for most people even people who are you know putting creating content

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and putting it in smaller way

[justin]: 00:20:52

m

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in smaller places you're going to probably be fine now keep keep in mind that

[justin]: 00:20:57

oh

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that could change and

[justin]: 00:20:58

yeah

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they even within the o g

[justin]: 00:21:00

yeah

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l one point one leak there were provisions where they could change it and update

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it like it they want

[justin]: 00:21:06

hm

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uh and so like if they turn all evil empire on

[justin]: 00:21:11

u

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us you know maybe even

[justin]: 00:21:13

h

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just like small creators

[justin]: 00:21:14

oh

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will also have to pay royalty at which point now if you want to do

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that cool if you don't i'm sure there's other people out there who won't make

weyland]: 00:21:22

you do that

[justin]: 00:21:23

hm

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but but one thing to keep in mind is that like hey you can

[justin]: 00:21:29

m

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still get

[justin]: 00:21:30

oh

weyland]: 00:21:30

content from the wizards of the coast and it's great content and if you choose

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go elsewhere that's great content to the good news is if you're just having a

weyland]: 00:21:42

friendly game nobody's watching you nobody's making money so nobody cares too

[justin]: 00:21:48

yeah

weyland]: 00:21:48

much about how you how you're doing it they just care that you're having fun

weyland]: 00:21:52

and coming back

[justin]: 00:21:52

yah

weyland]: 00:21:54

yeah

[justin]: 00:21:54

yah yeah that's funny no one cares if you're if you're not making money no

[justin]: 00:21:59

one cares they just care that you're having fun and some day you might spend

[justin]: 00:22:03

money on it you know so that's

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exactly

[justin]: 00:22:08

i love it

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perfect honestly

[justin]: 00:22:11

yeah

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this was once again this was a little bit of a different

[justin]: 00:22:15

yeah

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topic but you

[justin]: 00:22:16

yeah

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know it's it's out there and i'm sure some people

[justin]: 00:22:20

he

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have been curious so uh hopefully you know what if you ere still curious about

weyland]: 00:22:25

this there's a lot of wonderful articles a lot of wonderful youtubevideos

[justin]: 00:22:28

ah

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we recommend that you do so but mostly we recommend that you that you just

[justin]: 00:22:34

oh

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can and you having a great time now if this doesn't affect you then don't

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worry about it more than you need to and get out there gather group of